Star Wars Discussion

[BluKing BMF]

I begin this discussion because there are many unanswered questions lie in the depths of my brain.
Sounded smart enough...right? Well, I am not going to waste much more of your time; lets just get to it shall we?

NOTE: First of all, I did not read any Star Wars novels, books or other written related material, therefore bare with me if some of my questions sound easy/silly. All my information is based on movies, and please, feel free to add extra info from books that "we" don't know about.

I am watching the first movie in series of Star Wars. Where Luke and Darth Vader introduced for the first time. As I look back on it after seeing Phantom Menace and The Clone Wars, MUCH makes sense in what Luke/Obi Wan say.
So, questions:

1: Have all the books been written before the movies were ever made or did they make first 3 movies, and later on they wrote/produced Phantom Menace followed by the Clone Wars.


In the Phantom Menace we find out that 7 years old is too late for someone to become a Jedi; well excuse me...Luke seems to be 18+ already, and he is starting to learn Jedi masteries.

2: How come? Why so late?

In the Clone Wars there is a confusion that bothers me a lot. Obi Wan is captured and Count Duku (or however you spell his name) is talking to obi Wan about Dark Lord controlling the republic, and he asks Obi Wan to join him in his cause to defeat the Dark Lord. Seems like Count Duku is the only jedi that realized about dark side and SEEMS like he's trying to fight it. Well, wait a minute, isn't that Count Duku's master now?

3: Is he going against his master? Is he trying to fool Obi Wan to join the dark side? What's the deal here? Explain.

I'll post more questions later. Oh and by the way, feel free to add your own questions along with the answers; I am pretty sure I am not the only one who still has unanswered mysteries about the saga.

[atsui]

the books were written before any movies were made. the reason the first 3 are actually episodes 4,5,6 is because george lucas thught they'd make the best movie.

judging from the CRAP that was the Phantom Menace (movie wise) I think he was right..

[Poncho]

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
1: Have all the books been written before the movies were ever made or did they make first 3 movies, and later on they wrote/produced Phantom Menace followed by the Clone Wars.


As far as I know, and I'm sure the uber geeks around here can correct me if I'm wrong, but there are no books that have been authorized by Lucas. What this mean is that a book which tells what is going to happen in Ep 3 could be compleatly wrong. So if you read a book about Star Wars and it's not Eps 1,2,4,5,6 then it is bullshit.

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
In the Phantom Menace we find out that 7 years old is too late for someone to become a Jedi; well excuse me...Luke seems to be 18+ already, and he is starting to learn Jedi masteries.

2: How come? Why so late?


You have to realize that Ep 4 takes place after most, if not all of the jedi's have been killed. Luke is their last hope so they train him. It's not that you can't train somebody who is older, it is just that much more difficult to untrain them in their "human" ways the older they get. Also episode 1 takes place when there is a Jedi council, meaning that there are rules and traditions that must be followed.

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
In the Clone Wars there is a confusion that bothers me a lot. Obi Wan is captured and Count Duku (or however you spell his name) is talking to obi Wan about Dark Lord controlling the republic, and he asks Obi Wan to join him in his cause to defeat the Dark Lord. Seems like Count Duku is the only jedi that realized about dark side and SEEMS like he's trying to fight it. Well, wait a minute, isn't that Count Duku's master now?

3: Is he going against his master? Is he trying to fool Obi Wan to join the dark side? What's the deal here? Explain.


He is just trying to fuck with Obi Wan. Duku is following the dark side, despite his training as a Jedi. Really not to read into that scene.

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
the books were written before any movies were made

huh? Lucus wrote Star Wars from scratch, not from any books.. the rest of it all came later. The talk is that there was no plans for ANY other films, only after the big hit was all the other ideas throw out there.. then it was going to be 9 films, then 6 but all that was much much later.. Any and all books set in the starwars world all came well after the movie.

if there had been any books about starwars we would not have been as rabid about the films when they came out.. Being back then there was none of this little 6 month between films stuff.. hell no it was year and no one knew what was going to happen..

here is misc info

http://us.imdb.com/title/tt0076759/trivia

as for Phantom Menace, it was ok as a kids film and that was what star wars was sort of ment as in the first place. Down side is the fan base got older and did not want that anymore. A hard hitting bladerunner like dark world would have sat better with most fans I think..

[VitaMan]

It was my understanding that Lucus developed the rough outlines of all the episodes before shooting. He knew that "star wars" (original) was in the middle of the storyline, but felt that was the best single story to tell.

I'd also heard there was a story outlined between the first and 2nd (Empire Strikes Back) movies. A version of it (I think) was penned by Alan Dean Foster, "Splinter Of The Minds's Eye" in 1978. (Lucas outlined situations for several books written by others (eg, Timothy Zahn's "Heir To The Empire" in 1991)).

[BluKing BMF]

You have to realize that Ep 4 takes place after most, if not all of the jedi's have been killed. Luke is their last hope so they train him. It's not that you can't train somebody who is older, it is just that much more difficult to untrain them in their "human" ways the older they get. Also episode 1 takes place when there is a Jedi council, meaning that there are rules and traditions that must be followed.

Makes much sense, yup.
So, Darth Vader went on rampage "hunting" down and killing ALL jedis. That's what I hear in the movie.
I wonder what makes him do that, probably something happens to his belowed queen, she dies or something and he'll go wild.
Just a guess.
Makes much more sense now.

[Poncho]

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
Makes much sense, yup.
So, Darth Vader went on rampage "hunting" down and killing ALL jedis. That's what I hear in the movie.
I wonder what makes him do that, probably something happens to his belowed queen, she dies or something and he'll go wild.
Just a guess.
Makes much more sense now.

This is what we'll see in Ep3...You do know that Anakin is Vader right? Anakin goes to the dark side and begins wiping out all the jedi, since they will surely try and kill him once he goes bad.

Personally I'm looking forward to ep3. I just hope they don't make it too "light" like they did eps 1&2. Ep3 should be dark and violent and rated R. I know that last one won't happen...But I can dream can't I?

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Poncho
I just hope they don't make it too "light" like they did eps 1&2. Ep3 should be dark and violent and rated R.

Oh hell yeah! I agree with this statement.

[BluKing BMF]

Yeah, I know that he's Darth Vader. And I agree, Ep. 1 & 2 were light, especially 2. I can't wait to see him go bad.
Plus, I think he will start killing other jedis not because they are trying to kill him. It says he goes throughout the galaxy "hunting" them down.
There must be something behind that. We'll see what happens.


I have another question coming up, but I am still not sure how to put it together. It has to do everything with how clones were created, who ordered them, etc. They are talking about some jedi that died 10 years ago. I don't know, still "blurry." hehe
I just don't understand who clones were created for, if for republic, then why didn't the republic know. And if for Duku and his Dark Lord, why were they surprised to see them come up with an army?

[atsui]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
the books were written before any movies were made. the reason the first 3 are actually episodes 4,5,6 is because george lucas thught they'd make the best movie.

judging from the CRAP that was the Phantom Menace (movie wise) I think he was right..



no, don't re.wad this.. it is WRONG!!! :ROFL:

i was told the books came first and were written by someone other than Lucas..

i blaim Anasazi and Repairman Jack. ;)

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
:ROFL:

i was told the books came first and were written by someone other than Lucas..

i blaim Anasazi and Repairman Jack. ;)



BULLSHIT!

[antishatter]

u no anakin gets burned up by a lavaish type thing if i remember from the stoyline correctly. he thinks that it was his master obi-won who betrayed or coudlnt help him or some bull so he vows to destroy all jedi

[Poncho]

Originally posted by antishatter
u no anakin gets burned up by a lavaish type thing if i remember from the stoyline correctly. he thinks that it was his master obi-won who betrayed or coudlnt help him or some bull so he vows to destroy all jedi

Where did you hear that? Lucas is always tight lipped about the story line for an ep. You cannot believe anything about ep3 until you see it on screen.

[BluKing BMF]

u no anakin gets burned up by a lavaish type thing if i remember from the stoyline correctly. he thinks that it was his master obi-won who betrayed or coudlnt help him or some bull so he vows to destroy all jedi

I double that, where did you see or hear that?

[GotNoRice]

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
I double that, where did you see or hear that?

About 6 months or so before Episode 2 came out I read a leaked Internet script of Episodes 2 and 3. Didn't think much of it being that they usually tend to be BS. Turns out Episode 2 was exactly like the script I read, and so i'm guessing 3 probably will be also. Seems to conform to what he was saying.

[BluKing BMF]

About 6 months or so before Episode 2 came out I read a leaked Internet script of Episodes 2 and 3. Didn't think much of it being that they usually tend to be BS. Turns out Episode 2 was exactly like the script I read, and so i'm guessing 3 probably will be also. Seems to conform to what he was saying.

Oh ok, but it hasn't happen yet has it? hehe I am going to wait for the 3rd one whenever it is scheduled to come out.

[Aksen]

Episode 3, it seems to me, has too much stuff to cover. I suppose they could pull everything off... but there are events that need to happen that should take a lot of time. I think the only way they'll be able to pull this off is A) be really dumb and have everything happen at once or B) have the movie in two sections... like after time has passed and such. But that wouldn't be much like the other films.

[VitaMan]

Originally posted by Aksen
have the movie in two sections... like after time has passed and such.

Actually, there's another way. Just like the second was a chunk of time after the first (Anakin had grown up a lot, but Queenie was still a damn hottie)...

The third migt probably take place as Anakin is "falling", or right after he did, when he starts the "hunt". Flashbacks and dialogue can fill in the missing pieces between Ep2 and Ep3.

For what it is worth, I really really hated that guy who played Anakin in Ep2. He was a pathetic actor; his lines were not easy flowing (un-natural pauses, like he is reading the lines - and poorly), and he seemed very "crude" - Especially when playing next to Queenie who was very smooth and in character. Hell, freaking Leonardo DiCaprio would have been far far better than Hayden!!!!

[BluKing BMF]

Ok, I think I can put a new question together that puzzles me as well.

In Empire Strikes Back and The Return of the Jedi we see Luke as a jedi wearing black outfit. That doesn't make much sense to be, but I do believe it means something. From what I see though only Dark Side minions wear black clothing: Darth Maul, Vader, Count Duku.
All the jedi wear light colored outfits. And this is interesting because Vader wears dark clothing in Episode 2 as young jedi apprentice even though he wears light as well, constantly changing.
So my question is what is the deal with Luke's dark outfit? Is he portraying his father? Is he on the edge of joining the dark side? Lets hear all the debates.

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
Ok, I think I can put a new question together that puzzles me as well.

In Empire Strikes Back and The Return of the Jedi we see Luke as a jedi wearing black outfit. That doesn't make much sense to be, but I do believe it means something. From what I see though only Dark Side minions wear black clothing: Darth Maul, Vader, Count Duku.
All the jedi wear light colored outfits. And this is interesting because Vader wears dark clothing in Episode 2 as young jedi apprentice even though he wears light as well, constantly changing.
So my question is what is the deal with Luke's dark outfit? Is he portraying his father? Is he on the edge of joining the dark side? Lets hear all the debates.


I think it was just the "in" thing at the time. All the hip Jedi were doing it.


Actually, I believe that it's possible he could turn to the Dark Side, but without an Episode 7 we'll never know.

So we'll find out in about 15-20 years.

[Poncho]

He just wants to be black.....

[Poncho]

Wonder how long it will take until 51 changes my last post.....

[Poncho]

Expanding on my last post.....Here is a scene from Kevin Smith's Chasing Amy where Star Wars is explained....


HOOPER
(holds up comic)
Now my book, `White-Hating Coon',
doesn't have any of that bullshit. The
hero's name is Maleekwa, and he's a
descendant of the black tribe that
established the first society on the
planet, while all you European mother
fuckers were still hiding in caves and
shit, all terrified of the sun. He's a
strong role model that a young black
reader can look up to, `Cause I'm here
to tell you - the chickens are comin'
home to roost, ya'll: the black man's
no longer gonna play the minstrel in
the medium of comics and Sci-
Fi/Fantasy! We're keeping it real,
and we're gonna get respect -
by any means necessary!

During the speech, Holden and Banky enter and sit up
front.

HOLDEN
(calling out)
Bullshit! Lando Calrissian was a
black man, and he got to fly the
Millennium Falcon!

Hooper whips his head around, looking for the source of
the comment

HOOPER
Who said that?!?

HOLDEN
(standing)
I did! Lando Calrissian is a positive
black role model in the realm of
Science Fiction/Fantasy.

HOOPER
Fuck Lando Calrissian! Uncle Tom
nigger! Always some white boy gotta
invoke `the holy trilogy'! Bust this -
those movies are about how the white
man keeps the brother man down - even
in a galaxy far, far away. Check
this shit. You got cracker farm-boy
Luke Skywalker, Nazi poster boy -
blond hair, blue eyes.
And then you've got Darth
Vader: the blackest brother in the
galaxy. Nubian God.

BANKY
What's a Nubian?

HOOPER
Shut the fuck up! Now Vader, he's a
spiritual brother, with the force and
all that shit. Then this cracker
Skywalker gets his hands on a light-
saber, and the boy decides he's
gonna run the fucking universe - gets
a whole Klan of whites together, and
they're gonna bust up Vader's `hood
the Death Star. Now what the fuck do
you call that!

BANKY
Intergalactic Civil War!

HOOPER
Gentrification. They're gonna drive
our the black element, to make the
galaxy quote, unquote `safe' for white
folks.

HOLDEN
But Vader turns, out to be Luke's
father. And in Jedi, they become
friends.

HOOPER
Don't make me bust a cap in your ass,
yo! Jedi's the most insulting
installment, because Vader's
beautiful, black visage is
sullied when he pulls off his mask to
reveal a feeble, crusty white man!
They're trying to tell us that deep
inside, we all want to be white!

BANKY
Well isn't that true!

[Anasazi]

I love that part of the movie!:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

LOLLOLLOL

[BluKing BMF]

LOL WTF PONCHO! LOL HAHA

So we'll find out in about 15-20 years.

heh, are we expecting episode 7? I wonder

[Poncho]

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
LOL WTF PONCHO! LOL HAHA



heh, are we expecting episode 7? I wonder

You like that....Good shit huh.

as for Ep7-9 I doubt that we'll ever see those. Two reason: 1-lucas is getting old and 2-The lackluster performance of eps1-3. I don't think that 1-3 were recieved that well by the public, nor did they do as well as they could have. Just my .02

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Poncho
You like that....Good shit huh.

as for Ep7-9 I doubt that we'll ever see those. Two reason: 1-lucas is getting old and 2-The lackluster performance of eps1-3. I don't think that 1-3 were recieved that well by the public, nor did they do as well as they could have. Just my .02


Yeah...Lucas will probably die before he even gets the chance.

[enervate]

I really don't see why everyone bags on 1-3 while calling 4-6 the freaking Holy Grail. Folks, the movies were never good as far as acting and solid script go. They were entertaining because of the technology and escapism factor, which had a much greater imact when the first movies came out due to the lack of similar material at the time. It would be very difficult to achieve the same level of contrast today considering how much more we have been exposed to.

[antishatter]

ok in my opionion 4 and 5 where good 6 sucked balls 1-2 are very very very very very bad did u no the ewoks in episode 6 where speaking a form a of portugese except in a very very very high voice so when the movie was a joke in brazil becaue they said things like wheres te bathroom... i know this cause my brother in an anthropologist and he live in brazil for 5 years and he speaks portugese very fluently

[DeadLamb]

I would not say they are very very bad film.. I mean watch some bad films first, then come back and rewatch the starwars flicks. :)

they are kid films at their core really.. . Were filmed, written and everything else as kid films. If one was not a kid back when they came out and sat in a trance as you watch for the first time, space battles of that level.. ya can't really grasp just how ground breaking the films are..

so of course they took on this level that could never be reached again by any film.. That the down side of being a ground breaker, can't catch the magic again. So when the new ones come out they were hyped to be on a level that NO film would live up to.. Then they films turned out to just be sort of ok and no big deal....

so of course many hated them. Oh well

[antishatter]

like i said 4 and 5 where good films but 6 sucked because it ws supposed to be a kid film i mean like 50%kid thats why they used ewoks

[Anasazi]

I personally have enjoyed all of the movies so far.

4-6 have a special place in my heart cause I was a kid when I saw them.

1 and 2 were ok to me and I enjoyed watching them...Except for Darth Maul dying so quickly. That was crap.

[BluKing BMF]

Yeah, Darth Maul kicked ass. It's just a bit weak how he dies with his "guard down."

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by BluKing BMF
Yeah, Darth Maul kicked ass. It's just a bit weak how he dies with his "guard down."

They should have kept him till at least the end of the second one.:mad:

[Chronoglass]

so, who's lookin forward to star wars vs star trek?


ha ha ha

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by ihateyoudavid
so, who's lookin forward to star wars vs star trek?


ha ha ha


Don't make me kill you.:hatter:

[BluKing BMF]

so, who's lookin forward to star wars vs star trek?
WTF LOL

[Iano]

Star Wars vs Star Trek would be kinda wierd. but sweet :bang: borg cubes againts a death star, and klingons fighting stormtroopers, it would have to be a comedy.