MIcheal Morales Execution Delay...

[FreedomFGHTR]

What the fuck... why isn't this piece of shit dead allready. Thats bullshit that they need a fricken Doctor to kill him now, and the state can't find Kevorkian?? He likes killing people. And they bitch about the guy having to face pain from the execution... hello the bitch ass motherfucker raped and killed a woman. Im sure that she endured pain when he commited his crime. And this fucker has had a jury trial and several appeals.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Why don't they use a firing squad... 21 bullets to his heart and head would be painless for him.

[Chronoglass]

lawyer fucked im

[Anasazi]

lawyer fucked im



LOL

[antishatter]

yeah because raping a girl then beating her to death with a hammer is painless. Let the fucker burn.

[DeadLamb]

it's just how the system works and off-ing a person on a state level is a whole lot of paper work and i's to dot, T's to cross.. On some level I'm shocked we can every get it done at all..

where as say a random illegal hammer murder like he did tends not to have as much rules and paperwork that goes along with it.

[atsui]

I actually respect the state's decision for not asking one of their licensed doctor's to directly administer the lethal injection. Observing an execution is one thing, pushing a button in another room is one thing, but physically injecting the needle and being next to a man as he dies... I wouldn't do it. Regardless of what he did to that girl you or anyone else would have no reason to kill him other than following state orders. Wouldn't that in itself be murder?

The current procedures try to protect the doctors too. Doctors undertake the Hypocratic Oath for a reason and like it or not administering capitol punishment violates their oath.

But this is one of the biggest issues with the death penalty. How do you seperate a state justified murder from a personally justified murder? Don't both result in the same outcome, death at a person's hands?

Don't misread me though, I am pro-Capitol Punishment. And I agree, how much pain the inmate is in when he dies means nothing to me. But I do agree with the state's way of taking the needle directly out of a person's hands.

[Sex Fruit]

Don't misread me though, I am pro-Capitol Punishment.

:eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes:

[fishmonger]

Heh, Texas doesn't have the same problems as you guys do in Hippieland. We just kill 'em off as fast as we can and then wonder later if they're guilty or not.

[masque]

wow, we just discussed this in our civics class. Didn't take long before it degenerated into "who gives a fuck, kill the bastard."

The point I never got to make in class was "the lawyers are winning because their client still lives." this isn't about doctors, or consitutional amendments, or anything, its about the lawyers keeping him alive, and they're succeeding.

The best point made by anyone in the class was

"When you become a felon, your consitutional rights are removed (voting, gun ownership, etc.). Why then would some rights be kept, and others removed. If he's done something so bad that he has his rights removed, he shouldn't be entitled to certain protections."

[DeadLamb]

The best point made by anyone in the class was
"When you become a felon, your consitutional rights are removed

they do NOT just lose constitutional rights in some broad sweeping action, they get what is called "felon disenfranchisement" and have a very limited range of stuff stripped from them. The right to vote being the main thing 30 some odd states take away with disenfranchisement laws. The right to bear arms is not part of those disenfranchisement laws but a whole other sub set of laws that have to do with gun control. It has nothing to do with taking away constitutional rights over all, at all..

they still file a TON of court cases over BS like "unfair treatment being I don't get chunky peanut butter" as a violation of there constitutional rights. Your teacher should have caught that and corrected your classmate.

the reason death row etc have and should have protection under law is due to the unlimited recourses of the government who bring the case to trial in the first place. In order to protect the masses as a whole and to show that protection is there, one has to stand up for the lowest of the low.

To use that oh so cheesy line: With great power comes great responsibility. We might not like it on a personal level when talking about some scum bag but it's still important that the check and balance on power is there.

[Swagger]

Wouldn't that in itself be murder?

Nope...It would be Punishment. Murder is unlawful killing.

But I do agree with the Hippocratic Oath bit.....Thats why they should just get an RN or a Paramedic to do it. Both are legally allowed to give injections and neither take the Oath. :D

[FreedomFGHTR]

"When you become a felon, your consitutional rights are removed (voting, gun ownership, etc.). Why then would some rights be kept, and others removed. If he's done something so bad that he has his rights removed, he shouldn't be entitled to certain protections."
Ok this is a civics (aka Government) class and you guys don't even know what was written in the Declaration of Indenpence?



We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights...




un·al·ien·a·ble
adj. Not to be separated, given away, or taken away; inalienable:


So the answer to the question presented (since your teacher suffers from terrible incompetence)

Because our founding fathers wanted it that way.

If you can completely take away the rights of one group of people, then what's to prevent a tyranny from doing the same to others.

[DeadLamb]

since your teacher suffers from terrible incompetence

well he is in Dixon.. http://www.fusionlangaming.com/uploader/files/3/Cowtipping.gif

plus I would bet if you asked an average group on the street most would say prisoners have no rights.. People just tend not to know..

[masque]

since your teacher suffers from terrible incompetence

You've struck it actually.... I could rant for a while on her stupidity, but its not funny after a while. It really isn't.

example: Teacher recieves an obvious virus/worm email (and I do mean OBVIOUS). Teacher then forwards it to every single person on campus asking "is this a virus???"

first semester was economics, which was essentially an 18 week crash course in Capitalism propaganda. our first assignment in class was to watch a movie called "is America #1"

/back to topic

Hippocratic Oath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hippocratic_oath)

i was going to say a bunch of stuff about the hippocratic oath, but I felt it sounded stupid and uneducated, so I removed it.

[DeadLamb]

I could rant for a while on her

is she at least hot? Hot teacher = over look everything else :heart: :stalker: :heart:

[FreedomFGHTR]

is she at least hot? Hot teacher = over look everything else :heart: :stalker: :heart:

Dude peeps from dixon only think Cow's and Sheep are hot.

[DeadLamb]

Dude peeps from dixon only think Cow's and Sheep are hot.

so in other words you're saying masque is really a hot chick!!!?!? :pics:

[Avery Hawk]

Nope...It would be Punishment. Murder is unlawful killing.

But I do agree with the Hippocratic Oath bit.....Thats why they should just get an RN or a Paramedic to do it. Both are legally allowed to give injections and neither take the Oath. :D

They need a doctor because the Federal Government mandated it....

Fuckers need to keep out of state level issues....

[FreedomFGHTR]

They need a doctor because the Federal Government mandated it....

Fuckers need to keep out of state level issues....

I wonder if there will be a ripple effect in the execution process of other states as well.

[Swagger]

They need a doctor because the Federal Government mandated it....

Fuckers need to keep out of state level issues....


Oh well.......Should find some old drunk whiskey swilling doctor....like the Rooster Cogburn of Doctors....does the old "one shot for me...(whiskey)....and now a shot for you"

[atsui]

:eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes: :eek: :yikes:
:ROFL: YES, the bleeding heart liberal hippy is pro-death penalty. To quote, kill them all and let God sort them out.

yeah, I just watched Doom. :D

This is why I have no issue being pro-choice. Just one less fucker the world has to deal with.

What I really think should be changed about the law though, is that since the lawyers job is to defend the alleged criminal to the best of their ability, if the criminal loses then so does the lawyer. Kill em both. I think people would actually start watching People's Court again.

[FreedomFGHTR]

since the lawyers job is to defend the alleged criminal to the best of their ability, if the criminal loses then so does the lawyer.


Sigged for ultimate truth!

[DeadLamb]

blah.. defence lawyers are there to force the state to prove it's case.. They "lose" being the state proves the case, it's not like a real contest where they can totaly control the outcome of the event with their own actions..

even if it seems that way in some cases.. Most of the time the errors made are 100% the fault of the state, the defence only points them out, it's not like they forced it to happen..

[FreedomFGHTR]

Unless the lawyer gets his paycheck from the same place the prosecuting attorneys do.

[DeadLamb]

ah yes the "you're dump trucking me!!!" thing many a defendant tends to say when told to -plea out- a case by their court appointed attorney.

Most of the time it goes something along the lines of "This is bs!! I want to plea NOT guilty!! You just don't want to fight the case and you're just dump trucking me!!! I told you THOSE WHERE NOT my pants!!! I don't know how the crack got into them!"

leading to the the next classic line once they go to jail: "Didn't do it, lawyer fucked me"