Well.... there goes our rights... [Archive] - FLG

Poncho

11-09-2005, 07:33 AM

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2005/11/09/BAG9RFKD1C82.DTL

Can you believe this shit. Hope there isn't anybody here who live in the city of San Francisco, Prop H that just passed will ban the possession of handguns in the city. No grandfather clause, no exemptions, just turn your CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED guns in or they'll come pick them up. Fucking bullshit. That goddamn city needs to be walled off and left to their own devices.

Moddy

11-09-2005, 07:52 AM

Yeah, that's pretty shitty - but what can you expect from a hippy community like SF? I agree with you about walling that bitch infested city off.

EDIT: Oh, and are you gonna play tonite?

Ash

11-09-2005, 08:03 AM

next thing you know they are gonna pass a bill to force parents to know about theirs daughters medical practices with birth control or force UNintelligent design theory on kids in schools

oh crap?!

did it pass?

kansas did pass the anti-monkey science amendment

think we should wall them off as well?

for the record im pro some guns...just not rocket launchers ;)

Gremlin

11-09-2005, 08:03 AM

So basically if every city bans what you don't like you need to wall it off??? nice thinking I guess you need to find a way to do that :rolleyes:

Poncho

11-09-2005, 08:11 AM

Originally posted by Gremlin
So basically if every city bans what you don't like you need to wall it off??? nice thinking I guess you need to find a way to do that :rolleyes:

No, only the ones that shit on one of the most basic rights of this country. Seriously... if the population in SF is that stupid to ban handguns from law abiding citizens then it should be walled off and they can all live in the shit hole they create with no chance of escape. I wonder is Feinstein is going to give up her gun that she carries? That's right folks... one of the states most vocal proponents of gun control carries a weapon everyday having one of the 8 concealed carry permits that have been issued in SF. But she'll hand it over won't she? :rolleyes:

Poncho

11-09-2005, 08:16 AM

Originally posted by Ash
next thing you know they are gonna pass a bill to force parents to know about theirs daughters medical practices with birth control or force UNintelligent design theory on kids in schools

Jesus christ.... you're getting as bad as "Honest"player. As for your points, let try not get off topic here please, try this....

You can't get a tattoo or a piercing without your parents permission if you are under 18..... but you can get a major medical procedure. Does that make sense to you or do you think that parents shouldn't have any say in what their CHILDREN can do?

As for ID.... I could really give a shit. Teach it, don't teach it.... but put evolution in there as well. If you can teach ID without focusing on one religion, basically keeping it very general, then I'm all for it. There is nothing to say that ID and evolution are contradictory. Hell.... it might even get kids to think a bit.

Moddy

11-09-2005, 09:27 AM

Welcome to San FRANCEcisco

Chronoglass

11-09-2005, 09:32 AM

pfft, who needs rights.. I mean, what have they done for ME lately?! always bein defended, the ungrateful fuckers

FreedomFGHTR

11-09-2005, 10:34 AM

That is total fucking bullshit... I say all weapons should be legalized for everyone. SInce you don't know who's packing crime would be greatly reduced, esp if you went to Deadlambs house and he pulled out an RPG..

Poncho

11-09-2005, 11:36 AM

Originally posted by FreedomFGHTR own weapons if you are a convicted felon
I say all weapons should be legalized for everyone.

Disagree here, though I think that all weapons should be leagilized, barring explosive devices. You should NOT be able to own weapons if you are a convicted felon, or have a history of mental illness. You get convicted you lose your rights, it's that simple. In my opinion the constitution is a contract, and if you break that contract, you do not get to live under it's protection.

Ash

11-09-2005, 11:51 AM

Originally posted by MyKuL
Welcome to San FRANCEcisco

:P

Ash

11-09-2005, 12:25 PM

Originally posted by Poncho
Jesus christ.... you're getting as bad as "Honest"player. As for your points, let try not get off topic here please, try this....

You can't get a tattoo or a piercing without your parents permission if you are under 18..... but you can get a major medical procedure. Does that make sense to you or do you think that parents shouldn't have any say in what their CHILDREN can do?

As for ID.... I could really give a shit. Teach it, don't teach it.... but put evolution in there as well. If you can teach ID without focusing on one religion, basically keeping it very general, then I'm all for it. There is nothing to say that ID and evolution are contradictory. Hell.... it might even get kids to think a bit.

getting a tatoo = +
getting a piercing = +
getting pregnant = +

getting pregnancy taken care of = -

you go to the store to get a tatoo = capitalism
you go to the store to get a piercing = capitalism

you dont go to the store to get pregnant = BIOLOGY

as a republican you should know the difference between capitalism and biology

if you could go to the store and REMOVE TATOOS and PIERCINGS i would be all for not requiring parents permission

its apples APPLES and here.ORANGES

there is a reason we live in a blue state ;)

Avery Hawk

11-09-2005, 12:52 PM

Originally posted by Ash
..........there is a reason we live in a blue state ;)

Because the Wealthier an economy is, there are more people requiring "social support and services". Because the Wealthier economy has more tax based revinew to pay for these programs.This causes the "blue" as you put it to focus ALL their efforts in maintaining control of said Tax revenews by keeping these "fiscally challanged" people dependent on their aid ...thus perpetuating and compounding the problem and keping their jobs...

Short version....If California had no money for Welfare this would be a "red" state.

/RANT

Ash

11-09-2005, 12:56 PM

Originally posted by Avery Hawk
Because the Wealthier an economy is, there are more people requiring "social support and services". Because the Wealthier economy has more tax based revinew to pay for these programs.This causes the "blue" as you put it to focus ALL their efforts in maintaining control of said Tax revenews by keeping these "fiscally challanged" people dependent on their aid ...thus perpetuating and compounding the problem and keping their jobs...

Short version....If California had no money for Welfare this would be a "red" state.

/RANT

i agree to a degree :eek:

Swagger

11-09-2005, 03:22 PM

Originally posted by Poncho
That goddamn city needs to be walled off and left to their own devices.

What if we just had an impartial counsel go in....divide the city into lots or parcels of land....declare the city uninhabited....and set up a land grab 1800's style. Those with guns will get to keep their land.....those without will have it snatched.....it would be a lesson in tough love :D

Ash

11-09-2005, 04:25 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
What if we just had an impartial counsel go in....divide the city into lots or parcels of land....declare the city uninhabited....and set up a land grab 1800's style. Those with guns will get to keep their land.....those without will have it snatched.....it would be a lesson in tough love :D

in texas all they have is steers and queers...

in san franciso all they have is queers and guns...???

Swagger

11-09-2005, 04:58 PM

Originally posted by Ash
in san franciso all they have is queers and guns...???

Well that might be....you would think the freudian aspects of guns would appeal to "queers"

FAngel

11-09-2005, 07:14 PM

Originally posted by Poncho
just turn your CONSTITUTIONALLY PROTECTED guns in or they'll come pick them up.
Actually while I agree with you on the lameness of the law, handguns are not a constitutionally protected item. The consitution only protects the "right to bear arms", it does not say what arms, just arms. This is the same reason that assualt weapons are banned. It withstands the court challanges, as you still can go out and buy another weapon such as a shotgun. And SF is not the first city to do this. I believe Washington DC has the same law already on it's books.
Better watch out though, or pretty soon the only arms you'll be able to legally have are muskets....

FreedomFGHTR

11-09-2005, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by Poncho
Disagree here, though I think that all weapons should be leagilized, barring explosive devices. You should NOT be able to own weapons if you are a convicted felon, or have a history of mental illness. You get convicted you lose your rights, it's that simple. In my opinion the constitution is a contract, and if you break that contract, you do not get to live under it's protection.

The 2nd ammendment says nothing about criminal convictions actually the only ammendment mention criminal convictions is the 14th...

As for the consitituion being a contract... it's not... it's a guarantee according to the intent of the founding fathers. But if it was a contract then fine... the ones who break the contract are government and police. Most convictions come as a result from state laws not federal laws being broken....

antishatter

11-10-2005, 06:21 AM

Originally posted by FreedomFGHTR
The 2nd ammendment says nothing about criminal convictions actually the only ammendment mention criminal convictions is the 14th...

As for the consitituion being a contract... it's not... it's a guarantee according to the intent of the founding fathers. But if it was a contract then fine... the ones who break the contract are government and police. Most convictions come as a result from state laws not federal laws being broken....

well....I suppose this is your area. :D

Bunnyslayer

11-10-2005, 06:28 AM

I could care less about handguns... but taking a shovel to a fault line and watching SF sink into the bay pleases me. I'm in!

BIGKahuna

11-10-2005, 09:35 AM

If I was a criminal they just made SF easier pickings. Rich, pacifist hippies with no ways of protecting themselves :)

DeadLamb

11-10-2005, 09:41 AM

the problem with this is San Fran, unlike the other cities with the ban, does not have this huge gun crime problem in the first place or at least not to the level of the other cities that banned them..

this was just another one of those touchy feely bs laws that city likes to pass

as for the abortion law that, thankfully failed here the other day, it was more a case of looking to chip away at a woman's right to choose then it was about parents being told.. Classic chip chip chip away move as it looked to add to the state constitution a line that would said abortion is "the death of the unborn child, a child conceived but not yet born"

giving a foothold for more BS legal challenges on what is really a female heath issues so not sure why men vote on it in the first place.. We all know if men got pregnant there would be no issue being even the idea we could not get an abortion would get you shot with a handgun, even in san Francisco.

fishmonger

11-10-2005, 01:00 PM

Originally posted by FAngel
Actually while I agree with you on the lameness of the law, handguns are not a constitutionally protected item. The consitution only protects the "right to bear arms", it does not say what arms, just arms. This is the same reason that assualt weapons are banned. It withstands the court challanges, as you still can go out and buy another weapon such as a shotgun. And SF is not the first city to do this. I believe Washington DC has the same law already on it's books.
Better watch out though, or pretty soon the only arms you'll be able to legally have are muskets....

It also doesn't specifically state that handguns aren't covered. You're taking a very exclusive view of the language; I'm more prone to believe it should be read inclusively - it's not out, it's in. Banning handguns is absurd. Next it will be rifles, as you can kill deer with shotguns. Then it will be shotguns, as you can kill deer with arrows.

Reasonable people can debate about assualt rifles - I personally see no reason to ban them, but hey, I understand the viewpoint. Handguns are a different matter entirely to me.

Poncho

11-10-2005, 01:26 PM

Originally posted by DeadLamb
as for the abortion law that, thankfully failed here the other day, it was more a case of looking to chip away at a woman's right to choose then it was about parents being told..

Women shouldn't have that choice.... at least should not be the lone deciding factor in that choice. This one should get good..... I really do feel that way, so let's do this. I've got a good buzz going and feeling a bit fiesty. :D

Hoss

11-10-2005, 02:07 PM

Originally posted by Bunnyslayer
I could care less about handguns... but taking a shovel to a fault line and watching SF sink into the bay pleases me. I'm in!

HAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!

Agree 100%. Cut the bridges, & watch the rest float away.... I wish.

That place is pathetic. Went there two weekends in a row for Niners games, and both times along the way I either saw a MAN with big fake breasts walking down the street or some billboard of male prostitution. ***And people want to live there???*** WTF?

Now Los Angeles is pretty bad, but not to the extreme that SF has become.

BIGKahuna

11-10-2005, 03:10 PM

I had to work across the street from some Transgender counseling center organization or something and I was tempted to walk in there to see what sort of bathrooms they had. Did they have a mens, womens and other or perhaps just a Unisex bathroom. I never did go in there the question will have to be debated for the ages.

Ash

11-10-2005, 04:20 PM

Originally posted by Poncho
Women shouldn't have that choice.... at least should not be the lone deciding factor in that choice.

so do they stay at home pregnant and barefoot too?

do we strip the rights to vote for them as well?

should we form a society where all females are forced to not wear clothes?

do we even teach them to speak? or do we just leave them chained up in our basements?

yes its extreme but your statement is on the top of the slippery slope ;)

Swagger

11-10-2005, 04:38 PM

Originally posted by Ash
do we strip the rights to vote for them as well?

In nearly every study when females were asked if they would "end women's suffrage" they chose "yes".

So it wouldnt exactly be stripping away the right. :D

Repairman Jack

11-10-2005, 05:41 PM

Why would you even bother to ask those questions of this crowd?
You should know their answers will be the opposite of what's right and fair.

Originally posted by Ash
so do they stay at home pregnant and barefoot too?

do we strip the rights to vote for them as well?

should we form a society where all females are forced to not wear clothes?

do we even teach them to speak? or do we just leave them chained up in our basements?

yes its extreme but your statement is on the top of the slippery slope ;)

Swagger

11-10-2005, 06:26 PM

Originally posted by Repairman Jack

You should know their answers will be the opposite of what's right and fair.

Yup thats us
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Repairman Jack

11-10-2005, 07:00 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
Yup thats us
http://www.fusionlangaming.net/1105/eyerolljerkoff.gif

The shoe fits...

antishatter

11-10-2005, 07:03 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
Yup thats us
http://www.fusionlangaming.net/1105/eyerolljerkoff.gif
best smiley ever

Chronoglass

11-10-2005, 07:35 PM

there was a point in time when rights mattered
a point when owning a weapon was possible, and when homeland defense, meant defending the home, Not restricting it beyond reason because of the paranoia of what if? What if my neighbor goes crazy? i'm not a very good shot, and really would prefer rather than putting effort into hitting a target that they not be allowed to possibly freak out and kill people. Maybe your riding a bike and get hit by a car and die because you don't have a helmet, and maybe your ejected from your car because your not wearing a seatbelt.. and we can't let the kiddies see that. It'll cost us.. something or other.

There was a point in time when i truly believed we live in the free'est(is that a fucking word?!) country in the world. until I realized that we can't own what we want (unless we have enough money) we can't exercise our freedoms (unless we have the money to handle the lawsuits from conciencius objectors) our "vote" means less than a streak of shit in someones undies, there is not a single right on the "bill of rights" that someone has said, "they didn't mean THAT it's not included, now illegal, sorry" Children who work are taxed.. without the right to vote (taxation without representation anyone..)

america is a corporate whore, sham votes and useless debates about what small pieces of our rights havn't been stripped and raped like a school boy in a japan tentacle rape anime while entertaining is like masterbating a dog.. they're just not the right species, and if they were close, you are a part of the cure, destroy yourself to be a bigger part please

now your going to say that I am exercising my "freedom of expression" sorry, that freedom was given to me by the country called the internet, screaming about how worthless this country is in public will get you arrested "for your own protection" because you can't carry a firearm to do it for you anymore

Poncho

11-10-2005, 08:15 PM

Originally posted by Ash
so do they stay at home pregnant and barefoot too?

do we strip the rights to vote for them as well?

should we form a society where all females are forced to not wear clothes?

do we even teach them to speak? or do we just leave them chained up in our basements?

yes its extreme but your statement is on the top of the slippery slope ;)

Did I ever say that women shouldn't have rights? I would never suggest that. But what about the rights of the father? Should he not have a say in the welfare of his child? What gives her the only say in the matter?

DeadLamb

11-10-2005, 08:26 PM

Originally posted by Poncho
What gives her the only say in the matter?

because the parasite is INSIDE her body and will be for almost a year. It does not get much more personal then that..

if they could some how harvest the baby and sign away all rigth to it matix baby farm like great, let the dad have it.. Sep they can't anymore then a guy can opt out of supporting a kid he did not want to have in the first place.. Deal with... The support issue one can argue about but the parasite one a person, more so a guy, really can't.. Not with out bible thumbing issues that also have nothing do with with someone else's body....

not your body, not your choice.. Don't like those options don't go sticking your dick into the wrong chick who then goes off and does something you disagree with.

as for the gun thing.. this guy sounds like he could fit in around here..

http://jwz.livejournal.com/

"But after watching the Libertarian hootenanny that New Orleans turned into, I actually started considering whether owning one [as in a gun] might not be such a bad idea, living as I am in a place that's prone to both earthquakes and zombie attacks."

ah zombie attack!!!!.. main reason I have 100's of rounds around the home.

Chronoglass

11-10-2005, 08:30 PM

i keep a mace and a few swords... in case of zombies

DeadLamb

11-10-2005, 08:39 PM

Originally posted by Chronoglass
i keep a mace

yeah some how I really don't think mace is going to work on the undead, unless it's garlic based mace and you get attacked my vampires..

I will admit, I have no vampire safty plan

Chronoglass

11-10-2005, 08:42 PM

i live my life by shaun of the dead
"right, bash em on the head, that seems ta work"

and vampire mythology shows removing the head is the proper way of killing, as a stake only "binds them" and such

Ash

11-10-2005, 08:50 PM

I will admit, I have no vampire safty plan

:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL:

Chronoglass

11-10-2005, 09:03 PM

michelle helped me out here.. heh, apparently you thought I said mace.. no, I said A mace

http://www.kultofathena.com/images/1-739_l.jpg

she bought it for me for my birthday.. best present evar

Swagger

11-10-2005, 09:05 PM

Originally posted by Chronoglass
and vampire mythology shows removing the head is the proper way of killing, as a stake only "binds them" and such

Yeah be-head.....burn the head and body separately and let them scatter to the wind.

Chronoglass

11-10-2005, 09:28 PM

or bury at seperate corners of a graveyard... but I think that might be another binding thing

course... just in case
http://www.unitedcutlery.com/shop/images/product_thumbnails/UC1431_thumb.gif

Swagger

11-10-2005, 10:15 PM

Originally posted by Chronoglass
or bury at seperate corners of a graveyard... but I think that might be another binding thing

course... just in case
http://www.unitedcutlery.com/shop/images/product_thumbnails/UC1431_thumb.gif

We keep up this kinda talk and they might be sticking us with Vampire Duty.

FreedomFGHTR

11-10-2005, 10:18 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
We keep up this kinda talk and they might be sticking us with Vampire Duty.

Zombies :rolleyes:
Vampires :rolleyes:
Werewolves :rolleyes:

Zombie 1/2 vampire 1/2 Werewolf clone army!:hatter:

Swagger

11-10-2005, 10:23 PM

Originally posted by FreedomFGHTR
Zombies :rolleyes:
Vampires :rolleyes:
Werewolves :rolleyes:

Zombie 1/2 vampire 1/2 Werewolf clone army!:hatter:

Bah!....they would all end up being cannon fodder if ever Zombie Dinosaur's happened....you can just say good bye to the planet.

FreedomFGHTR

11-10-2005, 10:25 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
Bah!....they would all end up being cannon fodder if ever Zombie Dinosaur's happened....you can just say good bye to the planet.

Zombie dinosaurs? Blah... Zombie vampwolf army would wipe them out with their RPG's....

Say goodbye to the planet? Of course thats the pla....... um yeah never mind.....

Swagger

11-10-2005, 10:28 PM

Originally posted by FreedomFGHTR
Zombie dinosaurs? Blah... Zombie vampwolf army would wipe them out with their RPG's....

Say goodbye to the planet? Of course thats the pla....... um yeah never mind.....

Yeah but what your talking about is like fairy tales....Its kids stuff.

Were talking serious Zombie and Vampire action.....real stuff...not made up stuff.

Defiant One

11-10-2005, 10:35 PM

This thread needs a +7 of thread locking to abate the rampant silliness.

;)

FreedomFGHTR

11-10-2005, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
Yeah but what your talking about is like fairy tales....Its kids stuff.

Were talking serious Zombie and Vampire action.....real stuff...not made up stuff.

yep fairy tales and kids stuff... the Sith don't really exist... dna manipulation and cloning of the super killer army won't happpen...

:alien:

Ash

11-10-2005, 11:08 PM

underworld 2 will have the half vamp half wolfs?

oh and i just rolled a twenty on my vampire hunters saving throw vs being bitten by the rabid girl scout zombie

:scared:

Swagger

11-10-2005, 11:15 PM

Originally posted by FreedomFGHTR
yep fairy tales and kids stuff... the Sith don't really exist... dna manipulation and cloning of the super killer army won't happpen...
:alien:

Of course.......cause the Zombies are gonna take over the world first.......cept our Cosco....and whoever else buys the Zombie Survival Kit......though they will inhabit Sams clubs leaving Cosco to the FLG'ers.

FreedomFGHTR

11-10-2005, 11:39 PM

Originally posted by Swagger
Of course.......cause the Zombies are gonna take over the world first.......cept our Cosco....and whoever else buys the Zombie Survival Kit......though they will inhabit Sams clubs leaving Cosco to the FLG'ers.

Nah the zombies will be stopped by Pat Robertson's natural disasters... then my super secret clone army of zombie vampwolves will take over the world for me!

muhahahahahaha

Avery Hawk

11-11-2005, 12:17 AM

But All We (FLG) have to do is get garlic laced holy water and deleiver it with hollow silver bullets from our guns and your plans are thwarted....(covers all the zomvamwolf bases)

FreedomFGHTR

11-11-2005, 12:25 AM

Originally posted by Avery Hawk
But All We (FLG) have to do is get garlic laced holy water and deleiver it with hollow silver bullets from our guns and your plans are thwarted....(covers all the zomvamwolf bases)

But why would FLG want to kill their own super clone army? :rolleyes:

Avery Hawk

11-11-2005, 12:34 AM

you sounded like you had the megalomanicial tone going....buddy us up...then smite us when your evil is complete...I was just planning the contigency against that....

Repairman Jack

11-11-2005, 02:38 AM

Originally posted by Chronoglass
i live my life by shaun of the dead
"right, bash em on the head, that seems ta work"

and vampire mythology shows removing the head is the proper way of killing, as a stake only "binds them" and such

I like swords. I want a pair of swordchucks. :D

I keep a katana around just for zombies. They can't eat you if you chop them into small pieces. It also works well for removing vampire heads.

Repairman Jack

11-11-2005, 02:41 AM

Originally posted by Defiant_One
This thread needs a +7 of thread locking to abate the rampant silliness.

;)

Be gone zombie!

Bunnyslayer

11-11-2005, 07:27 AM

I was looking around my room last week thinking this would be a good place to whole up against a zombie horde. I, like lamby, size up places for "zombie refuge". Hell I have enough swords, axes, and knives to arm at least 20 people. I unfortunately lack bludgeons and need to invest in a mace. I realized that the other day with the commotion outside. Don't want to bring a knife or the axe. Can't exactly incapacitate people with those, but a good bludgeon, even if taken away form you in the fight is not the end of the world....

I like your soapbox btw Chrono, finally someone around here I agree with.