FLG Ihateyoucomic.com test/preview

[Chronoglass]

I've got most of the basics (except the secondary navigation links) up.. was wondering if youse folks could take a look, and lemme know if your browsers have any problems with it (aside from missing pictures, I know there are a few that are linked wrong in the temp folder, but are right in the main)

I use far too high a resolution when drawing/scanning etc etc.. I did change my res around a bit and only found 1 major screwup (my navigation button overlaps my banner at the top)

take a look if you want, and let me know if you have problems

let me know your browser, your screen res and anything else you can think of that could have caused the problem

thanx!

http://www.ihateyoucomic.com/temp

[Moddy]

I like the layout, and the new look - but there are some centering issues that may need to be addressed still.

If I have my IE window stretched out to 1024 x 768, the comic and banner looks OK. However, if I shrink my browser down to less than that, it moves teh banner ad down, and moves the comic down also.


Here are a couple of screen shots:



This is 1024 x 768 maximized. Looks fine. (http://www.fusionlangaming.com/mf/1024x768maximized.JPG)


This is 1024 x 768 but not maximized - note the banner ad and the comic table have shifted. (http://www.fusionlangaming.com/mf/1024x768non-maxd.JPG)

Oh, and I'm running Win2k w/ IE6. I usually run @ 1600 x 1200, but for this test, I ran @ 1024x768

[Chronoglass]

ack... didn't even think about shifting tables.. grrr

[VitaMan]

On the other hand, with Mozilla, it looks nothing like Mod's pictures.

Oh yeah - just remembered I can ftp to my domain (from work) to upload a picture...

http://www.goglen.com/post/FLG-200310/ihateyou.jpg

[Moddy]

Gawd Mozilla is gay.

[enervate]

Originally posted by MyKuL
Gawd Mozilla is gay.

Don't be a cockbite. Mozzila fo' sho'.

[Burden]

Yeah I am using Firebird and I see it fine as well. Looks great

[Moddy]

Originally posted by enervate
Don't be a cockbite. Mozzila fo' sho'.

IE > *

[Chronoglass]

mozilla has the most problems with css formatting from everything I've been reading.. think i might write up a script that checks for mozilla and set up a vanilla site for it

been pondering using different stylesheets depending on screen res too, but that might be a ways off

[Burden]

If u want me to tell u why modzilla is the best then just let me know and i will prove you wrong.

[PsychoSilva]

stops annoying pop ups is the only reason why i use it

[Moddy]

Originally posted by PsychoSilva
stops annoying pop ups is the only reason why i use it

So do the following:

MyIE2 http://www.myie2.com
Crazy Browser http://www.crazybrowser.com
firebird (even tho it's very early in development) http://www.mozilla.org/projects/firebird

I'm sure there are others - but that is a great start.

[PsychoSilva]

firebird is i got

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Burden
If u want me to tell u why modzilla is the best then just let me know and i will prove you wrong.

Please bring it to the table. I'm up for a good debate tonite.

[Burden]

Alright are u ready to get owned. First and foremost I am not saying in anyway that Internet Explorer is Crappy. I am just saying that Firebird is better. Lets look at the feature that Firebird has and Internet Explorer doesn't. Firebird has a built in Pop up blocker, something that Internet Explorer really needs. Second: Tabbed windows when surfing the internt. Now that is sweet, can't deny it. Plus you can save the whole set of tabbed windows as a book mark, which is even cooler. 3rd: Easy to get to skins that have been created. All you have to do is click on the one that u want and bam you have it installed. I know thier are more features and the like but i think this is enough to hinder your argument for a while.

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Burden
Alright are u ready to get owned. First and foremost I am not saying in anyway that Internet Explorer is Crappy. I am just saying that Firebird is better. Lets look at the feature that Firebird has and Internet Explorer doesn't. Firebird has a built in Pop up blocker, something that Internet Explorer really needs. Second: Tabbed windows when surfing the internt. Now that is sweet, can't deny it. Plus you can save the whole set of tabbed windows as a book mark, which is even cooler. 3rd: Easy to get to skins that have been created. All you have to do is click on the one that u want and bam you have it installed. I know thier are more features and the like but i think this is enough to hinder your argument for a while.

Naw, won't take long to shoot this in the ass.

1. I never said IE > firebird - I said IE > Mozilla. I never once said IE was actually "better" than ANYTHING except Mozilla. Two completely different subjects. I have used firebird, and do like it. Mozilla on the other hand is a bloated pile of steaming horse shit.
2. Pop up blocker - standard in Crazy Browser and MyIE2. Both use IE as their "engine" so it's pretty safe to say that 99% of the webpages developed will be viewable with these 2 browsers.
3. Tabbed Browsing - CB and MyIE2 both have it. Cool? Hell yes it's cool.
4. Skins - Eye candy - CPU killer - call it what you want - but if you want it, MyIE2 has that covered as well. Personally, I dont' really care too much about skins - just a waste of resources and HDD space that could be better used for pr0----er....games.

So as of right now, I have not seen any advantage that firebird has over MyIE2 or CrazyBrowser - tho it is comparable.

One of the reasons I chose MyIE2 is the fact that the Lite version is less than a 1 meg download. How cool is that? Even a 56k'er could get the browser in less than 5 minutes.

I eagerly await your retort.

[Burden]

Isn't Firebird a form of Mozilla? Or am I just Confused :confused:

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Burden
Isn't Firebird a form of Mozilla? Or am I just Confused :confused:

Firebird and Mozilla are 2 diff browsers - Mozilla is what Netscape was based on - firebird was a new project by the developers of Mozilla.

[Burden]

Alright then, I admit defeat. :(

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Burden
Alright then, I admit defeat. :(

No, not at all. Firebird has some great qualities - I was just lookin for an arguement tonite <sigh>

[VitaMan]

Firebird builds on the technology that they used to create Mozilla.

Netscape took Mozilla and added tons of crap and useless fluff to it, making it bloated.

Mozilla beats the crap out of IE. The features that Firebird has, Mozilla has. It opens new windows faster on both my work (Intel) and home (AMD) PCs without a doubt.

Mozilla's best feature is the click middle mouse button (wheel) to open link in a new window. Read new link, click mouse button to close window... leaving original just where it was.

The skins are nice. You don't have to use them, but if you choose to, you can make the browser simple and nimble.

The popup blocker is nice. Sure, you can do the aftermarket crap, but being built-in beats that. However, there is a better feature...

Image blocker Right click an image, choose "Block images from this server". Presto, no more, ever, no matter what site you visit.

No doubleclick or ads or anything from anywhere. Very nice browsing with no ads.

Built-in cookie manager. Handy. Sure, there are after-market ones for IE, but why??? Why doesn't MS listen to people's needs and build the cookie and popup managers into the browser?

Mozilla has a ton of user-configurable options in the ini file that are not in the menus. Very very customizable (for those that want to drill down and do it).

Mozilla scrolls much nicer than IE - though the latest version included an "IE-style" scroller for those who like that style.

Even simple actions -- see an image (picture) you like? Right click, choose "copy image location" or "save image as". IE... nope (for copy image location). Must right click, choose properties, highlight the image location from the grey box, CTRL-C to copy it. Blech.

Search: Mozilla lets you choose your search engine (and if you want to open results in a new window, tab, or sidebar). IE? Fuck you, you will search with MSN (or, one of their partners... but google is not an option).

[atsui]

ooooooooohhhh..... so i mention something off subject in another thread and are belittled by anasazi. you guys start a freakin debate here and no one says anything?! pshaw! :dunno: :uzzi:

[Moddy]

Originally posted by VitaMan
Mozilla beats the crap out of IE. The features that Firebird has, Mozilla has. It opens new windows faster on both my work (Intel) and home (AMD) PCs without a doubt.

False. Even on Mozilla's website it says that it takes longer to load because it's not integrated into the shell. It has also been proven a number of times that it takes both of the Mozilla products longer to render the page.

Mozilla's best feature is the click middle mouse button (wheel) to open link in a new window. Read new link, click mouse button to close window... leaving original just where it was.

CrazyBrowser offers this feature also I believe - tho I find it incredibly annoying - If I want a new window, I hold down the LEFT SHIFT key and click a link.

Besides WTF you want a new window for? Don't you use tabbed browsing? Windowed browsing is so - so - 1900's. You're the kinda guy that'd still use a space orb I bet... :)

The popup blocker is nice. Sure, you can do the aftermarket crap, but being built-in beats that. However, there is a better feature...

Um - yeah - old news - same as w/ MyIE2 and CB. I'm not dazzled yet.

Image blocker Right click an image, choose "Block images from this server". Presto, no more, ever, no matter what site you visit.

Um - if you have to block images from sites you visit, maybe you should consider visiting sites of a slightly higher quality. Might be cool for you, but much like "headlight wipers" on cars - just more bloat as far as I'm concerned.

No doubleclick or ads or anything from anywhere. Very nice browsing with no ads.
Built-in cookie manager. Handy. Sure, there are after-market ones for IE, but why??? Why doesn't MS listen to people's needs and build the cookie and popup managers into the browser?

Bloat + Bloat + Bloat = Mozilla. When was the last time you EVER opened a browser and said "God DAMN I'm sure glad there is a built in cookie manager!" You're tryin to sell ice cubes to an eskimo here.

Mozilla has a ton of user-configurable options in the ini file that are not in the menus. Very very customizable (for those that want to drill down and do it).

You're REALLY fishin here.

Mozilla scrolls much nicer than IE - though the latest version included an "IE-style" scroller for those who like that style.

BWAAAAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHHA OMG man - this the best you got? IT SCROLLS NICER? I think you are just about outta arguements.

Even simple actions -- see an image (picture) you like? Right click, choose "copy image location" or "save image as". IE... nope (for copy image location). Must right click, choose properties, highlight the image location from the grey box, CTRL-C to copy it. Blech.

Uh - so 1 second vs. 3 seconds? No big.

Search: Mozilla lets you choose your search engine (and if you want to open results in a new window, tab, or sidebar). IE? Fuck you, you will search with MSN (or, one of their partners... but google is not an option).
Make google the home page - and you can set google to open in a new window.

I find your arguements to be both weak and flacid. When Mozilla was first 'born' it was cool because it was a web broswer with NO BLOAT. Now look at that fat fuckin cow - such a waste.

So now lets talk about why I feel Mozilla is weak.

Plug In support - IE [when typing IE, I am implying that IE and all IE based browsers] =

Click - Click - Installed. How long does it take the average user to find a Quicktime plug-in, download it, install it, and *gasp* troubleshoot it if there is something wrong? I'm not sure that firebird or Mozilla support it by default, but what about embedded media - streaming video and audio? Does support for multimedia come with the Mozilla products?

How much memory utilization does Mozilla use compared to MyIE2 or CB? What about web page load times? How do they compare to the aforementioned browsers? How long does it take for Mozilla to open from a fresh booted PC vs. MyIE2 or CrazyBrowser?

I'd say that a vast majority of websites created today are built for IE, and IE based browsers. How much effort do you think will be put into making sure that a website is compatible with any of the others? Not counting corporate sites, I would have to say little if any. I know that with v1.0 of our site, there were soem bugs w/ Mozilla--know what? I didn't give a shit - FLG is optimized for IE.

Mozilla has it's place - just like Linux, Apple, Public Television, and HAM Radio. It is very unrefined and it is VERY obvious that it's open source. It's not for the everyday average user - it's for the tweak - the guy that "DARES" to be 'different' - until one day everyone is 'different.'

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
ooooooooohhhh..... so i mention something off subject in another thread and are belittled by anasazi. you guys start a freakin debate here and no one says anything?! pshaw! :dunno: :uzzi:

Your brother poked fun about my little sand problem and paid dearly - he knows better now :)

[atsui]

:ROFL: you teach him Mod! :sm: Anasazi

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
:ROFL: you teach him Mod! :sm: Anasazi


LOL! I don't see him online - I hope he isn't crying :)

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by MyKuL
LOL! I don't see him online - I hope he isn't crying :)


Oh now you're gonna get it.....just you wait.

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Anasazi
Oh now you're gonna get it.....just you wait.

OH NO!!! You going to bring it bling bling style? So you think you have the biggest rock of them all?!?!

http://www.yorkentertainment.com/artwork/blingbling.jpg

[Chronoglass]

following this thread has to be one of the more entertaining things I've done in a while... heh heh

can always count on FLG to make my attempt at being serious turn into a relization that there is in fact no spoon heh heh heh heh

thanks guys!

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by DeadLamb
OH NO!!! You going to bring it bling bling style? So you think you have the biggest rock of them all?!?!

http://www.yorkentertainment.com/artwork/blingbling.jpg

U know it foo

I be bringin my peeps all up in dis pad.


LOL

[Punl<]

Does IE let you set up bookmarks as keywords? With Mozilla I just hit cntrl+L and type "flg"+enter and I get fugionlangaming.com or "hot" for hotmail etc. Will IE let someone do the same thing with it? Not hot keys. I have to many damn hotkeys as it is.

[Chronoglass]

I know it has url finishing... since I've come here before i type fus, and it shows up right below it, press down.. down twice if I want to leave the main page behind and just go to the forums and press enter

[VitaMan]

Originally posted by MyKuL
it takes longer to load because it's not integrated into the shell. It has also been proven a number of times that it takes both of the Mozilla products longer to render the page.

Ah, so your argument consists of ignoring what I say. I said it will open a new window much faster. I browse by opening links in a new window, read link, close. Mozilla does that so much freaking faster. As far as the initial load goes, I have Mozilla set to "pre-load"

Originally posted by MyKuL
Besides WTF you want a new window for? Don't you use tabbed browsing?

I prefer windowed - because that way I do not have to use the keyboard, and minimal mouse movement. I wheel-click to open in a new window, read text, then thumb-click (button 5) to close the window. Tabbing would all be in the same window, so I could not thumb click to close the newest page. Just makes for much easier and quicker browsing.

Originally posted by MyKuL
Um - if you have to block images from sites you visit, maybe you should consider visiting sites of a slightly higher quality. Might be cool for you, but much like "headlight wipers" on cars - just more bloat as far as I'm concerned.

Ah, but it eliminates bloat. When I browse Yahoo or HardOCP or any other sites, I do not see annoying banner ads (that I've never clicked on). No shimmering, seizure-causing animated gifs, etc. No "slap the monkey to win" ads. Hopefully you can grasp this point - image blocker eliminates most banner ads. Makes for much much faster page load times.

Originally posted by MyKuL
When was the last time you EVER opened a browser and said "God DAMN I'm sure glad there is a built in cookie manager!"

This morning :)

Other features - the script manager lets you control what scripts are allowed to do. Things like:
Open unrequested windows
Move or resize existing windows
Raise or lower windows
Hide the status bar
Change Status bar text
change images
Create or change cookies
Read cookies

Very handy for ensuring that no malicious websites harm my environment or annoy the crap out of me by maximizing windows, or inserting "fake" URL's into the status bar when you hover over a link so you are fooled into thinking you are going to a different site, etc.

Originally posted by MyKuL
this the best you got? IT SCROLLS NICER?

Ah, that was but one of a dozen arguments. I guess in your aged state of existence, you already forgot what was above... :)

Originally posted by MyKuL
Make google the home page - and you can set google to open in a new window.

Ah, so IE does not have the feature - and you instead offer a feeble "workaround".

Originally posted by MyKuL
I find your arguements to be both weak and flacid.

At least I offer arguments. You don't. You whine that Mozilla is bloat, without proof. Sort of like CS people who say CS is the best when they've never even played a different game.

Or mouse-weenies who say it is better than a SpaceOrb :D

Funny, you fail to say why IE is better. The features that Mozilla has that best IE, you say "oh, but that is bloat". Or - "1 second versus 3. No biggie.

Well, in other places, you claim IE loads faster- thus speed is important. Oh, unless it is someplace that Mozilla beats IE... then who cares about a few seconds...

Originally posted by MyKuL
How long does it take the average user to find a Quicktime plug-in, download it, install it,

Not long - it asks you to download it if you need the plugin. Very easy.

Originally posted by MyKuL
what about embedded media - streaming video and audio? Does support for multimedia come with the Mozilla products?

Yup. I watched the Bush quicktime embedded in the window just like IE-ers. My wife watches all her Entertainment Tonight and Oprah "after the show" things just fine in Mozilla. No problems.

Originally posted by MyKuL
How much memory utilization does Mozilla use compared to MyIE2 or CB? What about web page load times? How do they compare to the aforementioned browsers? How long does it take for Mozilla to open from a fresh booted PC vs. MyIE2 or CrazyBrowser?

Memory is about the same as IE - except that IE is integrated for very little reason. During the MS antitrust trial, they showed a version of Windows with IE removed. It booted so much freaking faster and was far more responsive, and had a much smaller footprint. DOZENS of megs of memory less on bootup.

IE == Bloat that is forced down your throat.

As for initial load, I have Mozilla set to pre-load (like IE). So, actually, when I sit down to my PC, Mozilla actually opens faster than IE. For me, it renders pages faster when I open a new link, etc. I use both.

Originally posted by MyKuL
I'd say that a vast majority of websites created today are built for IE, and IE based browsers.

So, you are saying that because others use it, I must? Sorry, very very feeble argument. The vast majority of websites I visit all, all work perfectly on Mozilla. A small few have minor nits - like I Hate You... but the comic is there, and it is fine enough.

Originally posted by MyKuL
It's not for the everyday average user - it's for the tweak

Perhaps - but for me, it is a superior browser. An automatic transmission Geo Metro is good for the masses, but a stick-shift Porsche is for those who can handle it.

Have fun being a :sheep:

[Moddy]

Originally posted by VitaMan
Ah, so your argument consists of ignoring what I say. I said it will open a new window much faster. I browse by opening links in a new window, read link, close. Mozilla does that so much freaking faster. As far as the initial load goes, I have Mozilla set to "pre-load"

Um - ignoring? No. Perhaps trying to understand what you are trying to convey to us. "A new windows" can be a number of things - I had a 50/50 chance of getting it right - I chose wrong.

I tend not to use "windowed" browsing except here @ work where IE is standard. On average, how much "quicker" would you say opening a new window in Mozilla is? 2/10th of a second? Hell, go big here - 2 seconds quicker? So over the course of an 8 hour day you may save what, 1 maybe 2 minutes? Hell, you spent more time on quoting my replies than you'd save opening the entire intarweb in new windows. Very unimpressive.


I prefer windowed - because that way I do not have to use the keyboard, and minimal mouse movement. I wheel-click to open in a new window, read text, then thumb-click (button 5) to close the window. Tabbing would all be in the same window, so I could not thumb click to close the newest page. Just makes for much easier and quicker browsing.

Someday they will have a Space Orb that you can use to surf with - or better yet, maybe you should look into WebTV - they have a pretty cool wireless keyboard with a joystick mouse you can use. Then you'll be uber 1337. Someday they may even have Mozilla for Web TV.

Ah, but it eliminates bloat. When I browse Yahoo or HardOCP or any other sites, I do not see annoying banner ads (that I've never clicked on). No shimmering, seizure-causing animated gifs, etc. No "slap the monkey to win" ads. Hopefully you can grasp this point - image blocker eliminates most banner ads. Makes for much much faster page load times.

So help me to try and understand this. You are using a bloated browser to try and fight bloated websites? Um - and as far as blocking ads - an 8k banner ad doesn't bother me a bit. In fact, I'd rather see the banner ads - some of them are actually quite cool - <insert Orbitz.com Pitching game here> Makes for much much faster page load times? Perhaps on a 56k modem - but not any kind of problem with DSL or the likes.

On a diff note, I can't remember the last time I visited HardOCP - that place has gone to hell - poor poor Kyle.

Other features - the script manager lets you control what scripts are allowed to do. Things like:
Open unrequested windows
Move or resize existing windows
Raise or lower windows
Hide the status bar
Change Status bar text
change images
Create or change cookies
Read cookies

Very handy for ensuring that no malicious websites harm my environment or annoy the crap out of me by maximizing windows, or inserting "fake" URL's into the status bar when you hover over a link so you are fooled into thinking you are going to a different site, etc.

Again, perhaps you need to reconsider the kind of browsing you do if you are "fooled" into clicking links like this one (http://goatse.cx) :rolleyes: <--For those not in the "know", that is GOATSE - a guy stretching his ass open. Don't click it if you are at work, or if there are small kids around. In fact, don't click it at all.

Malicious websites? You didn't read anything in my previous post, did you? If you are so concerned about what websites may do to your PC, you may want to reconsider the sites you visit....oh wait...that's right.....you were fooled into clicking that link..... :rolleyes:


Ah, that was but one of a dozen arguments. I guess in your aged state of existence, you already forgot what was above... :)

HAH! You're older than I am :) Did you forget your Geritol today?


Ah, so IE does not have the feature - and you instead offer a feeble "workaround".

I offer a simple fix - you try to reinvent the wheel. I am sure MyIE2 offers a similar solution.

At least I offer arguments. You don't. You whine that Mozilla is bloat, without proof. Sort of like CS people who say CS is the best when they've never even played a different game.

Or mouse-weenies who say it is better than a SpaceOrb :D

Funny, you fail to say why IE is better. The features that Mozilla has that best IE, you say "oh, but that is bloat". Or - "1 second versus 3. No biggie.

Well, in other places, you claim IE loads faster- thus speed is important. Oh, unless it is someplace that Mozilla beats IE... then who cares about a few seconds...

I stated that MyIE2 and CrazyBrowser were better than Mozilla. Hell, even Firebird is better than Mozilla - way more stable - less memory utilization - faster page rendering (I think I have stated all of these reasons before - perhaps YOU are becoming senile, eh old man?) And firebird is made by the same ppl that make Mozilla. Perhaps they realized that Mozilla has too much bullshit built into it, and Firebird is their attempt at correcting their mistakes. I use Firebird here at work sometimes because I don't have to install it - unzip and run from the EXE. Very handy.


Not long - it asks you to download it if you need the plugin. Very easy.

I have never used that feature on the newer version of Mozilla - I know on the older versions it was a royal pain in the ass - "You need XYZ plug-in - go to their page - fill out 8 pages of worthless shit - and download it - then try to install it" Bleh -


Yup. I watched the Bush quicktime embedded in the window just like IE-ers. My wife watches all her Entertainment Tonight and Oprah "after the show" things just fine in Mozilla. No problems.

Again, this is informational for me - I haven't tried it.



Memory is about the same as IE - except that IE is integrated for very little reason. During the MS antitrust trial, they showed a version of Windows with IE removed. It booted so much freaking faster and was far more responsive, and had a much smaller footprint. DOZENS of megs of memory less on bootup.

Um - this isn't an OS discussion but if you wanna go there, we can :)

IE == Bloat that is forced down your throat.

You should load Linux if MS bothers you so much. You whine and whine and whine about it, yet you continue to use it? What's the facination? You don't play games, so there should be nothing holding you back from the world of open source software.

As for initial load, I have Mozilla set to pre-load (like IE). So, actually, when I sit down to my PC, Mozilla actually opens faster than IE. For me, it renders pages faster when I open a new link, etc. I use both.

I remember seeing the little icon in my task tray when I loaded Mozilla - then I looked at how much of my resources were wasted - so I disabled that - then Mozilla took 30 seconds to launch - so I uninstalled that - lo and behold my PC is faster. Amazing.

So, you are saying that because others use it, I must? Sorry, very very feeble argument. The vast majority of websites I visit all, all work perfectly on Mozilla. A small few have minor nits - like I Hate You... but the comic is there, and it is fine enough.

I never said that you HAD to use it. I stated that 90% of the sites are tested using IE. A good example is this site: http://www.handelsbanken.se/ Whoever coded it used some crappy browser detection without a failsafe option. Works in IE, but not Mozilla/Firebird.

That being said, you can see why I choose to use MyIE2 - I get to see the intarweb in it's entirety


Perhaps - but for me, it is a superior browser. An automatic transmission Geo Metro is good for the masses, but a stick-shift Porsche is for those who can handle it.

Have fun being a :sheep:
Mozilla != Porsche. Mozilla = Light Rail - it's there - some people use it - but most people stay away.

Hell man - use whatever your heart desires - but you can't polish a turd. MyIE2 does everything Mozilla does and more - better and faster. "OMG BUT YUO ARE PERPETUATING TEH EVAL INTARNET EXPLORAR 6 TECHNOLGOIES WHICH HOLD BACK TEH INTARWEB!!11" Yeah maybe - but MyIE2 will render 99.9% of the pages I view.

Real quick question for yah - when you go to www.windowsupdate.com with Mozilla, how long does it take to patch your machine? Oh, I'm sorry you can't.

So I have to ask - how can you defend Mozilla against MyIE2 and/or CrazyBrowser if you haven't tried either? Talk about a CS kiddy.... :hillbilly: I have used Mozilla, Firebird, Opera, Lynx, MyIE2, and CrazyBrowser. Hell, Diabolist even built a small browser a while back that I monkeyed with. I can say that out of all of the browsers I have used, Mozilla is on the bottom of the pile, and I like MyIE2 the best.

The truth of the matter is that regular users don't care jack shit about standards. They just want things to work. IE works the best with most sites as most sites are tested with IE. And many regular users don't even know of the existence of alternate browsers.

[fishmonger]

Cliff's Notes please.

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by fishmonger
Cliff's Notes please.

One has a bigger pen0s than the other, but they don't know who.




"you can't polish a turd." Sigged!

[VitaMan]

Originally posted by MyKuL
MyIE2 does everything Mozilla does and more - better and faster.

Except it does not even do the things I like best. Plain and simple - but for you, you are happy convincing yourself you don't need/want the image blocker, built in cookie & popup, etc.

So, for me, IE and its derivatives, do not fit my needs.

Originally posted by MyKuL
Real quick question for yah - when you go to www.windowsupdate.com with Mozilla, how long does it take to patch your machine? Oh, I'm sorry you can't.

Actually, I've seen a hack that will let you. Basically, MS is being stubborn. It is not that IE is better, it is that they coded to prevent other browsers from using the feature... Duh...

Originally posted by MyKuL
So I have to ask - how can you defend Mozilla against MyIE2 and/or CrazyBrowser if you haven't tried either?

Because IE itself -- the core tech behind those browsers, does not fit my likes. Period. I do not like how it scrolls, looks, renders, etc. Period (and don't get me started about the absurd way it files "favorites" as individual links clogging up the filesystem).

OK, so you're an "expert" on all the browsers, but Mozilla has come quite a ways since the beta days.

You refer to Mozilla as "bloat" - yet it imposes less cycle strain than IE. IE just happens to be embedded. So, even when you are not using the web, IE is bloating your system.

And you respect that? Wow. So, on one hand, you disparage Mozilla for its bloat ("useless" things like the image blocker and script blocker, etc). Yet you embrace IE's bloat.

Mozilla loads new windows faster - but you reply with "so maybe 2 seconds... who cares?" -- then proceed later to say that Mozilla slowed down your system. Who cares? Ah, but when it fits your argument, you care... otherwise you ignore it.

You are welcome to use IE-based browsers. I prefer Mozilla. For me, it fits my needs better. It does all of my browsing that I want faster than IE can. Period.

[Moddy]

Originally posted by VitaMan
Except it does not even do the things I like best. Plain and simple - but for you, you are happy convincing yourself you don't need/want the image blocker, built in cookie & popup, etc.

So, for me, IE and its derivatives, do not fit my needs.

http://myie2.com/html_en/tour/04privacy.htm <--Cookie Cleaner
http://myie2.com/html_en/tour/05adhunter.htm <---Pop Up Protection
But yeah, no image blocker.
Mozilla > MyIE2.


Actually, I've seen a hack that will let you. Basically, MS is being stubborn. It is not that IE is better, it is that they coded to prevent other browsers from using the feature... Duh...

Yup - you are right about that - it's the way MS implemented their code.
Mozilla > MyIE2


Because IE itself -- the core tech behind those browsers, does not fit my likes. Period. I do not like how it scrolls, looks, renders, etc. Period (and don't get me started about the absurd way it files "favorites" as individual links clogging up the filesystem).

True - Links are soooo messy - god - wish you could create folders to put them im - damn.
Mozilla > MyIE2.

OK, so you're an "expert" on all the browsers, but Mozilla has come quite a ways since the beta days.

Never said I was an expert - but if I am going to compare a Viper to a Corvette, I had better make DAMN sure I drive both cars before comparing the two.

Mozilla has come a long way from the beta days.
Mozilla > MyIE2.

You refer to Mozilla as "bloat" - yet it imposes less cycle strain than IE. IE just happens to be embedded. So, even when you are not using the web, IE is bloating your system.

And you respect that? Wow. So, on one hand, you disparage Mozilla for its bloat ("useless" things like the image blocker and script blocker, etc). Yet you embrace IE's bloat.

Mozilla loads new windows faster - but you reply with "so maybe 2 seconds... who cares?" -- then proceed later to say that Mozilla slowed down your system. Who cares? Ah, but when it fits your argument, you care... otherwise you ignore it.

You are welcome to use IE-based browsers. I prefer Mozilla. For me, it fits my needs better. It does all of my browsing that I want faster than IE can. Period.

After reading your post, I have decided that all of the information that I have gathered over the years is completely and 100% wrong. MyIE2, IE, Opera - all CRAP. I am going to use Mozilla exclusively from now on. Your arguements have turned me 180°. I commend you for having the ability to compare 2 or 3 products to one that you feel is a better piece of software due to personal beliefs, not facts - and all of this without even USING the other two!!! Simply awesome!

That being said, I am now a full blown Mozilla user - now if I can just get my hands on a Space Orb - hmm.....

[VitaMan]

Originally posted by MyKuL
now if I can just get my hands on a Space Orb - hmm.....

*sniff*... that brought tears to my eyes.

You have seen the light...

SpaceOrb > Mozilla

*sniff*

I <3 you, ModKul