Mainstream Media attacking US Military....again

[Sex Fruit]

This is just another fine example of the hell that Mainstream liberal media has become. In this article they have taken what appear to be a few seperate, unfortunate incidents and flashed the spotlight on all the people involved. It just cracks me up that these men , who have already given so much, are vilified by the media when they make a mistake. What really pisses me off is how the articles author goes to lengths to describe in detail exactly how many alcoholic beverages each one of these men had consumed the night before the accident and then at the end to state that neither one was legally intoxicated . Whats the purpose of even going into that if neither one was actually drunk?
Even better, notice the name in the link below!!
I think CNN proabaly wanted the title to go something like this:
RECKLESS ROGUE PILOTS CRASH PLANES AND DIE ON PURPOSE!



http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/08/rogue.pilots.crashes.ap/index.html

[Anasazi]

Moved to the Playpen by me.

[DeadLamb]

blah.. not sure anyone is vilified in that write up you just have a bunch of guys who sort of dicked around and crashed their planes. whoops. so being they are military the media should being all hands off? The write up is the typical --you dumb ass-- theme and style that the media always runs with any time anyone crashes just about anything..

and drinking is always an issue when an error is made..

School field trip dad one "Wow I sure got a good nights sleep last night on my new bed. Well anyways, throw your kids in the back of my mini van there, lets go.

School field trip dad two "Wow I sure got wasted last night, I did not know one man could drink that much beer, geeeessh.. Well anyways, throw your kids in the back of my mini van there, lets go."

yeah that's not going to give a parent to pause for a second?

big deal. I don't see any thing over the top in the write up or anything different the one s you see every month about some kid eating a wall due to driver error. Not sure there IS a nice way to say "Hey you screwed up and crashed"

as for the whole mainstream liberal media tag, that is just a sound byte term for FOX news to bounce stuff off as if the ball they throw is not also a made of shit. One only has to look at the top stories getting wall to wall coverage last week to see it's more about "the show" then news. Stories about the war? The missing money? China and fuel costs? Econ?

No, it was, on ever station, the jackson trial, the run away bride story and if or if not Paula bangs some trashes guys on american Idol.. Yeah THAT is world news, that is what should be reported on allllllll day coast to coast.

Then we wonder why come election time no one knows about any issues or what is going on at all. ALL tv media is a dog and pony show aimed at dumb people...

[Repairman Jack]

Originally posted by EwokPenis
This is just another fine example of the hell that Mainstream liberal media has become. In this article they have taken what appear to be a few seperate, unfortunate incidents and flashed the spotlight on all the people involved. It just cracks me up that these men , who have already given so much, are vilified by the media when they make a mistake. What really pisses me off is how the articles author goes to lengths to describe in detail exactly how many alcoholic beverages each one of these men had consumed the night before the accident and then at the end to state that neither one was legally intoxicated . Whats the purpose of even going into that if neither one was actually drunk?
Even better, notice the name in the link below!!
I think CNN proabaly wanted the title to go something like this:
RECKLESS ROGUE PILOTS CRASH PLANES AND DIE ON PURPOSE!



http://www.cnn.com/2005/US/05/08/rogue.pilots.crashes.ap/index.html

Meh, someone listens to too much Limbaugh. The "Liberal Media" would report on that no matter who is in office. As Lamb noted, they run with whatever makes headlines, and soldiers drinking and then crashing makes for great headlines. It also gives the military good reason to fix the problem rather than hide it.

Your anger is mis-directed. Serving your country is an admirable thing, but it's not a carte blanche ticket to do whatever you want with impunity. Any soldier who's actually served in Iraq or Afghanistan should be outraged, not at the media for reporting it, but at the guys safely stationed in the US who blew off military rules and endangered themselves and the civilian population through their reckless actions - the same civilians the guys in Iraq are risking their lives to protect.

[Sitting_Duck]

Originally posted by DeadLamb
blah.. not sure anyone is vilified in that write up you just have a bunch of guys who sort of dicked around and crashed their planes. whoops. so being they are military the media should being all hands off? The write up is the typical --you dumb ass-- theme and style that the media always runs with any time anyone crashes just about anything..

and drinking is always an issue when an error is made..

School field trip dad one "Wow I sure got a good nights sleep last night on my new bed. Well anyways, throw your kids in the back of my mini van there, lets go.

School field trip dad two "Wow I sure got wasted last night, I did not know one man could drink that much beer, geeeessh.. Well anyways, throw your kids in the back of my mini van there, lets go."

yeah that's not going to give a parent to pause for a second?

big deal. I don't see any thing over the top in the write up or anything different the one s you see every month about some kid eating a wall due to driver error. Not sure there IS a nice way to say "Hey you screwed up and crashed"

as for the whole mainstream liberal media tag, that is just a sound byte term for FOX news to bounce stuff off as if the ball they throw is not also a made of shit. One only has to look at the top stories getting wall to wall coverage last week to see it's more about "the show" then news. Stories about the war? The missing money? China and fuel costs? Econ?

No, it was, on ever station, the jackson trial, the run away bride story and if or if not Paula bangs some trashes guys on american Idol.. Yeah THAT is world news, that is what should be reported on allllllll day coast to coast.

Then we wonder why come election time no one knows about any issues or what is going on at all. ALL tv media is a dog and pony show aimed at dumb people...

Amen - nicely put.

[GotNoRice]

MSNBC ran a similar story, but I thought it was written much better.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7782136/

[termdec]

I just generally stop reading when someone uses the term "liberal media" seriously, whatever comes afterwards is most likely stupid. Lamb nailed this one.

[Chronoglass]

who better to attack?

at least they're armed right?

[Repairman Jack]

Originally posted by termdec
I just generally stop reading when someone uses the term "liberal media" seriously, whatever comes afterwards is most likely stupid. Lamb nailed this one.

QFT

[Sex Fruit]

Heh.....I really stirred the liberal hornets nest up with this one.
I agree with a couple of the points that lamb made. Let me clear some of my other thoughts up for those who did not read close enough, or completely misinterpreted my thoughts.
I never said that just because they are military they should not be punished for the mistakes that they have made (dying is a pretty big punishment) I feel whatever punishment is handed down by the UCMJ is signifigant enough.
however the person who wrote that article (not specified because it was more than likely written by an AP pool reporter) the article seemed specualtive and unclear, if you do not have the hard facts , do not speculate. if the people involved will not talk to you, as almost every person in that interview would not. The two who were supposedly hungover, if that is really so, paid with their lives. These are all very unfortunate inciedents, but what the MAINSTREAM LIBERAL MEDIA! seems to forget is that they are all humans who made mistakes. I just felt the tone of the article was very derogatory.

As for RMJ
please do not put words in my mouth, I never said they should have "Carte Blanche to do whatever they want" I never clarified my position on what should happen to them until I wrote the paragraph above this one.I should have included that in my original post, but whatever.
As for my radio preferences, you are damn right! Although it perplexes that you would know enough about Rush to discern that I am listening to him(Closet Listener?) I listen to Rush in the morning, Sean Hannity in the afternoon, I watch FOXNEWS at night and I read Ann Coulter's column every day. If I want truth in the media these are the only places to get it.I guess if I wanted to read fantasy/fiction I could always read the New York Crimes......er Times or the Los Angeles Crimes......er Times. Or watch CNN, or Listen to Air America ( Are these your media news outlets?) :rolleyes:

GotNoRice:
I agree the MSNBC write, even though it chronicled a different accident as its main storyline, was far more subjective than the CNN write up.

Termdec:
When you are a liberal, of course something like the term Liberal media will offend you, Liberals DO NOT like to be called liberals.
No one likes to have their nose rubbed in their own stinking shit :)

Lamb:

Several valid points, although I feel your drunk parent driving analogy is wrong in the context of a Navy Pilot drinking too much the night before he flies.If you read the article, the report found it a "possibility" that Hangovers might have been a contributing factor, although it cannot state that definitively. Why even bring it up if it cannot be proven, neither man was legally drunk, and they arent around anymore to talk about it, which is very sad. Even though A channel like fox news does seem to go as much with the sensational stories, they seem to do it to a lesser degree than outlets such as ABC,NBC Headline news and CNN. But I do agree with the fact that any news channel is going to go with the stories that people want to hear (runaway bride...:vomit:).

lastly....as for the use of the term MAIN STREAM LIBERAL MEDIA.
I am sorry for its use, from Now on Ill, just say DEMOCRATIC PARTY BOOSTER CLUB.

Better? :)

*PS I do not believe liberals or democrats to be bad people (except Ted Kennedy, And Billary ) Just misguided and misled.

Flame on

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by EwokPenis
If you read the article, the report found it a "possibility"

It's also called digging for a story. The same thing happens for just about ever simple car crash story also so nothing new about that.
IMO the kids in a mini van is a perfect example, being people who drink tend to think that some how because the law threw down a number and said "that is drunk" that a few beers has no effect or a few beers last night and you feel like shit has no effect being it's not the so called legal def of being drunk..

would anyone really feel comfortable letting kids drive with a person who was really hung over? Almost across the board any and all flying anything from pilots to support crew have a zero drinking rule. It's NOT some sort of legal drunk but not thing, it's zero. Anyone want to watch your 747 pilot knock back a shot or two before take off?

as for the liberal media tag it's total BS as I said.. Spin doctoring at it's best being all sorts of studies have shown that the media pretty much picks and :poke: at everyone about the same. Only dif is far right like to fling out the liberal media term any time they don't like what is said.

plus news reporting by it's very nature has to be a some what moderate stance.. You report news, suggest ideas to solve them, talk to people and share idea how to fix it. Easy for the far right to slant that as liberal being the conservative response would always be to act like problems solve themselves as long as you give money to the rich.

far right also tend to see zero degrees.
Man falls down a flight to stairs..

Far right: Glace over, say it's his own fault and if he talks to god he can find a his way back to the top of the stairs. Unless of course he is gay, poor or a minority then clearly the hand of god pushed him down the stairs for his sins.

then if it turned out the person was some far right supporter and a news story was done on it.. Boom!! "Oh again the liberal media has lashed out against the conservative right that we can't even go up a flight of stairs with out falling!! Oh when will they stop!!"

world would be better off if we just lopped off the far left and right and only let moderates do and control anything. Ya know, as in thinking people who weigh both sides of any given issue in a case by case base Vs the looking at everything with a tint of political agenda..

[Moddy]

I love this forum.

[Poncho]

Originally posted by EwokPenis
Liberals DO NOT like to be called liberals.


This is quite possibly the most profound statement that I have ever read on ANY political forum. This sums up liberals and the problems that most americans have with them. Well done.... :thumbup:

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Poncho
This sums up liberals and the problems that most americans have with them.

conservatives have also done a much better job at working the media, have better tub thumping issues and can handle over the top character assassinations better then the far left.
you paint a far right conservative as a Nazi loving bible thumping pro-lifer who wants to tat "I love god" on everyone and everywhere he tends to turn out to be a normal guy who sides with pro life in most case and maybe goes a little too far on some issues.

you paint a far left liberal as a rainbow wearing fag who wants to marry his leather gimp masked lover in many case he tends to turn out to be a rainbow wearing fag who wants to marry his leather gimp masked lover.

plus as I said the tub thumping issues are just WAY better and easy to pass off on others. As long as you give someone a cookie they tend not to notice what you do with the rest of the box. Liberals tend to think they can wave the box around, talk about cookies and what they will do with them later and so on, forever. That tends not to work as well as giving a cookie and then running off with the rest of the box.

[Poncho]

Originally posted by DeadLamb

you paint a far right conservative as a Nazi loving bible thumping pro-lifer who wants to tat "I love god" on everyone and everywhere he tends to turn out to be a normal guy who sides with pro life in most case and maybe goes a little too far on some issues.

you paint a far left liberal as a rainbow wearing fag who wants to marry his leather gimp masked lover in many case he tends to turn out to be a rainbow wearing fag who wants to marry his leather gimp masked lover.


To expand on this...the reality is that most wouldn't, automatically, believe that the conservative is the Nazi loving etc... Most would think that it's way too far outside the norm, because it is. Now, on the other hand in regards to libs.... that analogy isn't that far outside the norm, much more believable because with regards to LIBERALS that is usually the case...at least for the most part. You see extreme liberals far more often than you see the extreme right.... talking christian coalition, etc. Libs paint themselves as targets....and like the good, gun-toating, god fearing republicans we are....we shoot. :D

[JerseyGirl]

Originally posted by EwokPenis
I listen to Rush in the morning, Sean Hannity in the afternoon, I watch FOXNEWS at night and I read Ann Coulter's column every day. If I want truth in the media these are the only places to get it.

:confused:

[Gremlin]

Do not want to start anything but you listen to Fox News???

[Sex Fruit]

Originally posted by Gremlin
Do not want to start anything but you listen to Fox News???

We used to have a newstalk station here in Fresno on FM that ran several fox news programs, notably Tony Snow and Bill O'Reilly.
They went off the air like 5 weeks ago and now its some totally assaliscious Soft Rock station :puke:

So yes, for awhile I did.

I did say that I watch Fox News at night while Im home. I did not say I listened to Fox News though, although I could if I Had XM or Sirius

Why do you ask?

[termdec]

Originally posted by EwokPenis

Termdec:
When you are a liberal, of course something like the term Liberal media will offend you, Liberals DO NOT like to be called liberals.
No one likes to have their nose rubbed in their own stinking shit :)


Sorry, but that's bullshit. I don't have a problem with the term, I have a problem with the 'liberal media' not existing. Unless you're talking about NPR or the BBC as your big news sources, virtually everything is swung to the right. Call it 'fair and balanced' all you want, but I'd suggest looking at some of the obvious statistics of things like the number of democrats interviewed vs the number of republicans interviewed. It's pretty damned obvious that there's more Ann Coulters on TV than Michael Moores.

[Sex Fruit]

Originally posted by termdec
It's pretty damned obvious that there's more Ann Coulters on TV than Michael Moores.

Yeah because of the simple fact that the michael Moores are whacked out space cases who are so wrapped up int he web of painting everyone as members of the "VAST RIGHT WING CONSPIRACY" that they have no cred

As for the statisitics , anytime one of the mainstream liberal media outlets conducts a poll it is usually done in hi democrat voted areas, if you have the statistics please post them so I can refute them.

And yes NPR is Liberal media.......but so is CNN,ABC,NBC,CBS ,The New York Times, The Los Angeles Times, The Washington Post Etc etc etc.....

Whats funny is I will listen to NPR for their Stories on human life and science, I turn the station when they start leaning left though. They do a good job when they avoid being blatantly liberal

[Repairman Jack]

You obviously have no clue of what a liberal media is, nor do you have a clue as to what NEWS is. Every "news source" you listed, except Fox, is an editorial source, not a news source.

Rush is NOT news, he is all show, hype and comentary. If Rush is your news source you are in sad shape, because your only world view is the one Rush tells you to have. It's pretty scary to see someone blindly give up their ability to think and reason and let Rush do it for them.

No, I don't lurk around his show. I'm actually a republican (for the past 27 years) who listened to his show early on, for a year or two. After a while I got sick of hearing him tell his listeners how great he is and how they should think, and I realized I didn't want him doing my thinking for me. I can handle about 5 minutes of his show before I start gagging over his pompous attitude - about the same amount of time I can tolerate Howard Stern. :)

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Repairman Jack
I can handle about 5 minutes of his show before I start gagging over his pompous attitude - about the same amount of time I can tolerate Howard Stern. :)




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[Sex Fruit]

Originally posted by Repairman Jack
You obviously have no clue of what a liberal media is, nor do you have a clue as to what NEWS is. Every "news source" you listed, except Fox, is an editorial source, not a news source.

IF I have Fox News why do I need to go anywhere else? I should have clarified, for Political news I go the sources I stated, for Normal world happenings I go to Fox.Yet sometimes the sources I stated do cover world happenings also, as the situation dictates

Originally posted by Repairman Jack
Rush is NOT news, he is all show, hype and comentary. If Rush is your news source you are in sad shape, because your only world view is the one Rush tells you to have. It's pretty scary to see someone blindly give up their ability to think and reason and let Rush do it for them.

I beg to differ, Rush offers a conservative, Balanced view (my opinion...before the liberal screaming starts) on political happenings in the world, although I will agree he is pompous sometimes, he makes me laugh and I agree with many, not all of his views and standings. Who said I was blindly following Rush? Oh oh, there you go again making assumptions based on no facts at all....its ok :) you really dont know me well enough to know what political course I follow, or any of my political opinions and leanings, or do you??????

Originally posted by Repairman Jack
No, I don't lurk around his show. I'm actually a republican (for the past 27 years)

Wow:confused: , I would have never known :eek:

Originally posted by Repairman Jack
After a while I got sick of hearing him tell his listeners how great he is and how they should think, and I realized I didn't want him doing my thinking for me.

I listen to him every day right now, Usually from one to 2 hours depending on what town I am travelling to. Its funny, I dont really ever hear him telling me how to think, I hear him giving his opinion on matters (and finding myself agreeing 90% of the time) But I dont ever mistake it for brainwashing or ever hear him telling people to turn off and stop listening to them if they dont 100% agree with what he says or feels.He encourages people from all sides of the political spectrum to call and voice their opinions and he NEVER cuts them off like alot of the liberal talk show hosts on Air America do (See Al Franken, Garofalo, Rhodes)Hes been on the air for 25 years now, he must have some small amount of audience :)


Originally posted by Repairman Jack
I can handle about 5 minutes of his show before I start gagging over his pompous attitude - about the same amount of time I can tolerate Howard Stern. :)

heh, you compared Rush and Howard Stern!
I find Rush a little more informative than the titty, stripper, freak fuck fest that is the Howard Stern Show, most of Rush's attitude I can look past because you can tell it's obviously a joke, well......maybe you couldnt.

[Moddy]

I love this forum!

[Defiant One]

Originally posted by The Modfather
I love this forum!

Shens!

You just love conflict.....as long as it's not directed at you!


:heart:

[Moddy]

Originally posted by Defiant_One
Shens!

You just love conflict.....as long as it's not directed at you!


:heart: It's ppl like you who are gonna blow my cover :P

[Defiant One]

Oh, your cover was blown looooong before you met me, my friend. I'm just beligerent enough to point it out.

;)

[Repairman Jack]

Originally posted by The Modfather
It's ppl like you who are gonna blow my cover :P

Cover? You have no cover. :D

[Gremlin]

Mod has a cover?? I call shens