Ashcroft

[FreedomFGHTR]

I just heard that he resigned. THis should be a good thing... Bush is allready clearing out fundamentalists in his government. Maybe he really is going to try to actually untie the people this time....

[termdec]

This is the best political news I've heard in a while

Edit:
Uh oh

1. So you really think bush is going to appoint someone less nutty?

2. Why do you think ashcroft stepped down? here's a hint: retiring supreme court justices

[DeadLamb]

yeah Ashcroft views were right out of 1910 or something.. Covered up the stature of lady justice being there was an exposed breast there... Also his huge push to prosecute porn, as if it's being "forced" on people to the tune of selling $$$$$$$$$$$$$ a year.. Then looking to prosecute the people in the most backwards ass states for federal crimes of selling tapes over the net or something..

errrrrrrrrrr hello? Real crime? Maybe focus on that.. Glad to see this guy go, should never have been in office in the first place.. If I rem right, he lost an election to a dead man in his own state.. That sort of tells ya something right here..

Ashcroft or the dead guy.. errrr ahhh errr yeah, dead guy..

[Bullfrog]

While I am not sad to see him retire I also don't think he turned out to be as bad as everyone thought. When he was nominated people thought that 'Joe Stalin' had risen from the grave to fill the post. I don't think he was any better or worse then Janet Reno.

Still glad to see some turn-over and get some fresh faces / minds / ideas into GW's cabinet.

[Bunnyslayer]

Thank some sort of non-existent being he's gone.

I love his idea of make the charges as large as possible with no possibility to deal or leniency. Umm.. that's always good. Let's just bury our heads and not look at the reasons why. I am a usual "Death to Jaywalkers" type of anti-crime person, but even Ashcroft was a little too extreme for me.

[Poncho]

Here's the thing.... as much as I don't like him, he was necessary at the time. After 9/11 we needed an attorney General who was borderline militant. Do we need him as much today....maybe not as attorney general, but I wouldn't mind seeing him heading the Dept. of Homeland Security.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Originally posted by Poncho
maybe not as attorney general, but I wouldn't mind seeing him heading the Dept. of Homeland Security.

You're being sarcastic.... right??

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Poncho
I wouldn't mind seeing him heading the Dept. of Homeland Security.

no.. he needs to just go away.. people with his views have no place in public office.. One should be neutral and balanced when in a position of power, not looking to push an agenda..

pushed for secret military tribunals, that BS patriot act that WAY over steps normal bounds as far as search etc issues, no due process for some caught or suspected of crimes, busting medical marijuana areas that were VOTED in by the state.. looking to crush right-to-die legislation.. claimed the death penalty has no racial bias, felt abortion is a crime, also the morning after pill etc etc etc etc etc ..

Guy was the perfect example of what happens when the wrong person gets to a place of power.. Again, one should be neutral and balanced when in a position of power, not looking to push an agenda..

Never mind the end all be of BS.. that being the war on porn he went off on.. I think there are still some people, looking at some jail time for selling sex toys over the net in midwest bible zone.. Geeeesh, people like ashcroft have no place as leaders of anything sep a local PTA at a church school..

[Qwertys]

Alberto Gonzoles has been appointed as the new AG. who is this guy?
oh well, i agree 100% with DL, Ashcroft was WAY too biased to be in that position of power. I only hope the next AG can fix all the things Ash Fucked up. i doubt it though. how many times has a law or bill been remissed when its original intentions are to protect the state or lives? i can't stand shit like this.

[psilocybe]

Ashcroft is now poised to be nominated for the US Supreme Court! Woohoo! When is Renqhuist going to finally die?

*edit spelling correction

[FreedomFGHTR]

Originally posted by psilocybe
Ashcroft is now poised to be nominated for the US Supreme Court! Woohoo! When is Renqhuist going to finally die?

*edit spelling correction

OH SHIT! I hope Reinhquist never dies in this case.

[honestplayer]

just glad he's gone. i dont care what he beleives in, if your the top cop, you dont trample on other people's rights just because your a bible thumper. i just hope this new guy has actually read the constitution.

[Swagger]

Originally posted by DeadLamb
busting medical marijuana areas that were VOTED in by the state.

Not to get off topic.........But good for him. At least on that point.

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Swagger
But good for him. At least on that point.

no being it's a waste of resources.. medical marijuana clinic, voted on and 100% legal with in a given state (states now).. Ok, it goes against federal law but it's NOT a crack house hidden in the middle of no where selling to whoever shows up..

It's at a biz with an address, listed, tracked, paying taxes etc etc etc.. you could send a lawyer down there, with a suit and a piece of paper, tack it on the door, file a case.. yawn.... let the courts work it out..

That jack ass sends in a full on FBI team to "raid" the store. Guns drawn vest etc etc etc.. Yes, really needed for those 65 year old hippy grandmothers in there buying $20 worth of pot or how ever much it costs..

100% victimless crime in this case more so then even normal drugs being it's not only a personal choice, it's a lame drug to have illegal in the first place AND it's voted on, legal etc etc in California with a doctors blah blah selling out of, again, a known place.. yes, send in the "tac" team.. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

It's not really all that different then legal whore houses in Nevada but not other states.. 100% victimless.. Never mind that 80-90% of drugs should just be made legal anyways and pot REALLY should be made legal being the HUGE money spent on it control is 100% wasted being people who smoke themself into retards don't do shit but sit around watching cartoons or whatever.. big deal.. Vs say crack heads to really do damage to an area and the people in it.. All my dumb ass friends who smoke (I never have) sit around or sleep..

yeah make that illegal, send in the TAC team for THAT being sold with a doctors note to old blind men..

[Swagger]

Hey send in the damn ARMY if you want....Make those doctors that thumb their noses at federal law think a little harder about opening something like that.

I was all for it being legal a few years ago. Then I took a class on illegal drugs. Now I could never support something like that.

They have drugs on the market that can do the EXACT same as weed....is it more expensive?....yeah.

But just because some Hippie wants to claim they have cateracts so they can smoke some dope and laugh at some cops I dont think it should be okay.

I might change my mine if it had Super Tight restrictions.......Like it could only be used in like a Hospital like setting for people going through Chemo or some other horrible thing.

Any recreactional drug use can be described as a victimless crime. But I dont trust the retards out their to decide on that use for themselves. I also don't think we need something else legal out there thats gonna drive up the DUI's in this country.


Or maybe I just hate Hippie's.............thats most likely it :heart: :D

[termdec]

Originally posted by Swagger
Hey send in the damn ARMY if you want....Make those doctors that thumb their noses at federal law think a little harder about opening something like that.

I was all for it being legal a few years ago. Then I took a class on illegal drugs. Now I could never support something like that.

They have drugs on the market that can do the EXACT same as weed....is it more expensive?....yeah.

But just because some Hippie wants to claim they have cateracts so they can smoke some dope and laugh at some cops I dont think it should be okay.

I might change my mine if it had Super Tight restrictions.......Like it could only be used in like a Hospital like setting for people going through Chemo or some other horrible thing.

Any recreactional drug use can be described as a victimless crime. But I dont trust the retards out their to decide on that use for themselves. I also don't think we need something else legal out there thats gonna drive up the DUI's in this country.


Or maybe I just hate Hippie's.............thats most likely it :heart: :D

Jeez dude, go smoke some pot or something

[Swagger]

Originally posted by termdec
Jeez dude, go smoke some pot or something

Well I did have childhood asthma........Im sure I could get a prescription.

Or if I can prove I'm depressed.....I CAN get a prescription

It can be prescribed for premature ejaculation.......I dunno that might help some of you guys out.

[DeadLamb]

Just another example of over kill by the fed goverment.. Don't like it, send down one lone lawyer to take it the courts.. To raid and waste the $$$ on all that is just dumb IMO..

Plus again, it's pot.. Not like guys on pot and run down the street in their underwear hugging a huge teddy bear as LSD does.

I DO think the medical pot issue has been too easy to get but I tend to view almost everything with a money spin.. Spend millions on stopping pot? A drug that seems over all to do less damage then even beer etc does to a city. So make it legal, spend those millions on schools or whatever..

Jail time for a person smoke or selling a drug that as far as I can tell just makes people slug out and watch dumb shit on tv and giggle, then eat a ton of junk food.. That's a waste of $$$ IMO..

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by DeadLamb
Jail time for a person smoke or selling a drug that as far as I can tell just makes people slug out and watch dumb shit on tv and giggle, then eat a ton of junk food.. That's a waste of $$$ IMO..


Agreed 120%.

[Chronoglass]

Originally posted by DeadLamb

Jail time for a person smoke or selling a drug that as far as I can tell just makes people slug out and watch dumb shit on tv and giggle, then eat a ton of junk food.. That's a waste of $$$ IMO..


random side effect being.... reality telivision

give em the fucking chair

[Swagger]

Originally posted by DeadLamb

Jail time for a person smoke or selling a drug that as far as I can tell just makes people slug out and watch dumb shit on tv and giggle, then eat a ton of junk food.. That's a waste of $$$ IMO..

Knew a kid in High School.....His family grew it....he was a smoker. The kid was PERMA fried. He didnt even smoke it much anymore....the effects were like 24-7 with him after all the use he had. Ive seen it with several others..............But then again the drug use at my school could put nearly any Nor Cal school to SHAME with how rampent it was.

But of course it couldnt be true. Because.....pot isnt addictive...pot has no perminate side effects....blah blah blah.........I seen it...I done it.....and no sir...I dont like it.

[DeadLamb]

yeah well the cost of just plain alcohol being sold as far as human life and crimes etc is pretty damn high too.. It's just that cost of enforcement Vs the impact of what your average pot head is like, I don't see wasting the millions and millions to stop that level of stoner.. Drugs are still a choice a person is making. So I do not really feel bad when they smoke them self down to a retard level..

People do the same with glue huffing etc etc etc.. but we don't waste millions on looking and failing to stop it... Maybe on some level the really bad drugs like meth and crack etc where the user goes all :scared: :tinfoil: it worth the $$$ to at least try to stop it.. Sep I can think of a range of other ones, IMO, it's just not.. The end junky just does not impact your average person all that much..

Hell I would even throw out there that THE main reason people are anti-drug at ALL is not the impact on the drug user, it's that they break into your place, steal your stuff to support the habits.. If they did not steal your stuff I think most are heartless enough to not care that little timmy is over the corner going "The ants, the ants ate my eyes!!!".. You only care if he is saying that AND holding your tv :)

[Swagger]

Well we could also look at the fact marijuana is a gateway drug.

Alcohol is bad enough to have on the market....do we need two things that can cause the same kinda distruction....Alcohol is at least part of a historical american tradition LOL.

The bottom line.......we dont need more Hippie's...we need to kill off the ones we already have LOL

[fishmonger]

Originally posted by Swagger
Well we could also look at the fact marijuana is a gateway drug.


The only thing that seperates pot from beer is the fact that it's illegal. After you drink a beer, do you get a rampant urge to go smoke crack? Yeah, me neither.

Originally posted by Swagger
Alcohol is bad enough to have on the market....do we need two things that can cause the same kinda distruction....Alcohol is at least part of a historical american tradition

About alcohol - remember, it used to be illegal too, in the 1920's. The government spent a ton of money trying to stop people from using and making it - and in the end, gave up. Making alcohol legal didn't cause society to come crashing down - it just put the gangsters out of business. I think this is a pretty good parallel with pot.

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Swagger
Knew a kid in High School.....His family grew it....he was a smoker. The kid was PERMA fried. He didnt even smoke it much anymore....the effects were like 24-7 with him after all the use he had.




I've seen people that are "perma fried" and they've never done any drugs in their life.
I've also known 50 year olds that have been doing it since they were teens and their successful and with a family.

Just like with alcohol it's not whether you do it or not, but how you do it.
If you smoke or drink at each waking moment you're going to have problems, but if you're reponsible about either they can be ok.

Hell, someone can smoke a pound of marijuana and the most they'll get out of it is the munchies and they'll fall asleep.
People drink a bottle of Vodka and die because of poisoning.

Then there's also people that die because they went cold turkey from alcohol and their body couldn't take it.
I've never heard of that happening from marijuana.


And marijuana is not a gateway drug, peer pressure is.

I'm with Lamb on this one, it just seems like a huge waste of money to me.

[Swagger]

Originally posted by Anasazi

And marijuana is not a gateway drug, peer pressure is.


FACT is.....It is a gateway drug.

Originally posted by Anasazi

Then there's also people that die because they went cold turkey from alcohol and their body couldn't take it.
I've never heard of that happening from marijuana.


Well you can start your campaign to end alcohol.....I'm just stickin with weed LOL

Originally posted by fishmonger
The only thing that seperates pot from beer is the fact that it's illegal. After you drink a beer, do you get a rampant urge to go smoke crack? Yeah, me neither.

About alcohol - remember, it used to be illegal too, in the 1920's. The government spent a ton of money trying to stop people from using and making it - and in the end, gave up. Making alcohol legal didn't cause society to come crashing down - it just put the gangsters out of business. I think this is a pretty good parallel with pot.

I wouldnt know Im not a beer drinker......Funny thing is most beer drinkers I know are drug users. Be it Weed or abusing prescription meds.

Alcohol was illegal for how long again? Like what 15 years. I know alot about that since the only reason my family survived was because my Great Grandfather was a Bootlegger. Had alcohol been something that became popular say 1900 and in 1920 they tried to ban it......im pretty sure it would have worked.

Originally posted by DeadLamb

People do the same with glue huffing etc etc etc.. but we don't waste millions on looking and failing to stop it

We do.....Just not that obvious to us because its not too huge in the urban settings.........We end up spending those millions on Native American Reservations. Due to the typical low income setting and the relative inexpense of it....its WILDLY popular.

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Swagger
FACT is.....It is a gateway drug.




Please post links to your facts.

[Swagger]

Originally posted by Anasazi
Please post links to your facts.

Sorry I had a practical and proper education on the subject.....you can check Chapter 6 page 248 of Uppers, Downers, All arounders 3rd edition.

[honestplayer]

Ashcroft says judges threaten national security by questioning Bush decisions

hmmm, lessee, some guy declared war when some damn terrorist jews and commies burned down parliament - then said the same thing while he was chancellor?

not following the rules of law - i guess thats called a dictatorship. i thought this was a dumb thing to say for an AG.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Ashcroft needs to smoke a little pot!

[honestplayer]

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[Swagger]

Hell yeah...at least he kept it real.......Bet we was doing head stand bong rips and everything.

[atsui]

Originally posted by Swagger
Hell yeah...at least he kept it real.......Bet we was doing head stand bong rips and everything.

hmmm...

Originally posted by Swagger
The bottom line.......we dont need more Hippie's...we need to kill off the ones we already have

Originally posted by Swagger
But of course it couldnt be true. Because.....pot isnt addictive...pot has no perminate side effects....blah blah blah.........I seen it...I done it.....and no sir...I dont like it.

interesting two-sidedness, eh there? ;)

[termdec]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
interesting two-sidedness, eh there? ;)

[insert sarcastic comment that makes light of the situation while hinting that I really do think that the status quo is fucked up]

[Swagger]

Originally posted by Girl_Monster
hmmm...

interesting two-sidedness, eh there? ;)


See Bush was a Bong rippin Yale guy....He was a party king....Not a damn Hippie.........See the differance is......People that smoke it to smoke it..know its illegal...are alright......not smoke it and think it should be legal because they think its a "life style" and blah blah blah.


Smoke it...Its illegal...I dont care....maybe i'll join in.

But if you smoke it and then rant on to me about how it should be legal and how its a giant consperacy by the oil companies because the seeds of pot plants can make a more efficent fuel than oil.........or some bullshit Hippie's like to ramble on about.

Smoke.....Eat some lil chocolate donuts and shut up.:ROFL:

[FreedomFGHTR]

Originally posted by Swagger

Smoke.....Eat some lil chocolate donuts and shut up.:ROFL:


mmmm donuts.....

[pirate_mafia]

1st off: Hijacked thread

Ok,Here is the lowdown on MJ from someone who has smoked for a while.

Is it addictive?: Yes, not physically, but mentaly. Would I actally want to quit? no... I smoke maybe once a week and socially.. i have no problems in my life, so I don't care.

Is it a gateway drug?: Yes and No, it depends on your personality. When you put the J to your lips, there is not an immediate urge to go smoke crack or inject a little turkish black mule heroin. But, people smoke everyday gradually lose the feeling and want*more* of a high, so they advance to the next level. This is very rare ad does not happen to 99% of the people who smoke it.

Is Marijuana hazardou to you health? Yes. The plain and simple fact is you are inhaling burning ash and that is bad for your lungs. The good news is that for any serious damage to be done, you have to smoke weed like you do cigarettes multiple times daily... Most people that smooke weed quit after college anyway because its time to be responsible. Other effects of MJ is the dulling of your brain's endophin receptors. If you smoke every day until you are 40, there wiull be slight noticable effects on the amount of endophins eleased in your brain. These effects noticed in teenagers are because of the following reasons: They are high, they were high, or in some cases, they have smoked themselves stupid. This is not permenent and within a month without smoking, drinking, or taking any other mind-altering substances it generally goes away.

Lets see... what haven't I covered...

Should it be legal?: In my opinion, yes. The taxes that could be reaped off of it in Calfifornia alone would pull us out of our deficit (Exaggerating). Getting rid of the illegal aspect will curb teen angst abuse. For those of you who are against its legalization, ask yourself why you think it should be illegal. If it is becasuse of moral values, 3 words suit you the best: "Go fuck yourself." Stop imposing your values and morals on the masses. If you think it should be illegal based on the cost of law enorcement of high people, think about it... Treat pot just like alcohol, 18 or 21 to smoke, DUI checkpoints apply to THC, IT wouldn't make that much of a difference. Would drug use of other substances rise? Maybe... No one can accurately predict whether or not people will go to substances that ACTIVELY harm their ody and mentality. The myth with pot is that people believe it has no side effects, but if abused an cause bodily harm.

I think that just raps up what I can think of, so... rant away... Ill rant back if need be