A Fallujah question

[Bunnyslayer]

I am sitting here pondering Fallujah and was wondering if I am the only person concerned we waited so long to do what was needed there (invasion) to keep it out of the way of the election? I am not looking for the party liners to get on a soapbox here, just wondering your guys thoughts? It would really piss me off to lose servicemen to further political bullcrap.

[Gremlin]

Yes it is a bad mistake for waiting this long. Most of the lunatics knew of the attack was going to happen and they left. Did not the same thing happen in Somalia? Correct me if I am wrong

[Bunnyslayer]

Yes it did. At least here we have Iraqi military support and the ability to bring armor to the game.

[DeadLamb]

yeah and I'm sure Ramadan had something do with it also..

[Qwertys]

I'm sure it did. the US tries to be diplomatic about their attacks :rolleyes:

[Bunnyslayer]

Actually that is a good point about Ramadan. I didn't think about that. We did that in Afghanistan as well.

[Bullfrog]

I also think given the focus on the elections in Iraq had a lot to do with hold off the attack.

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Bullfrog
I also think given the focus on the elections in Iraq

yeah that lets for the news spin of:
http://www.voanews.com/english/2004-11-08-voa27.cfm

"Interim Iraqi Prime Minister Iyad Allawi says he has given U.S. and Iraqi forces the authority to rid the city of Fallujah of terrorists."

Yes, thank you "giving" us that ya little puppet... More like you were told now is when we want to go.. as in "You, give, now"

[Bunnyslayer]

Of course the Ramadan excuse doesn't explain the 6 month delay really. Oh besides the casualties, the supposed peace deals etc, but still very curious that it explodes into action a week after the elections.

:tinfoil: LOOKOUT! BLACK HELICOPTERS!!!

[Anasazi]

Originally posted by Bunnyslayer
:tinfoil: LOOKOUT! BLACK HELICOPTERS!!!




Oh man. They followed me here again.:scared:

[DeadLamb]

Originally posted by Bunnyslayer
LOOKOUT! BLACK HELICOPTERS!!!

I saw a hard core hummer looking like ride the other day, clearly it was not the SUV mommy H2 version but what looked like a first gen Hummer..

With the plate of BLACKOP...

Oh... let me roll around in that for a hour or so.. Run over EVERYTHING out front of mykuls place..

mykul - "I swear guys, some big black hummer just ran over everything in my yard!! I swear"

rest of us - "yeah yeah sure sure mykul :tinfoil: :tinfoil: :tinfoil: "

[Stagger]

The party liners are the people to blame. If George W Bush didn't have to wait for the election to avoid flack about the issue we'd have bombed them and stormed them months ago, but don't worry the casualty list isn't too high yet.

We're at 10 soldiers and counting. I personally think it sucks that any service men would have to die but that is what our military is there for. Our defense and security. My Cousin is currently in Samara, the next hot bed and that doesn't make me happy, but he's doing this for the preservation of our country and he'd be proud to lay his life down for the future of the US of A.

What we need right now is brave soldiers and a brave nation behind them. Not a bunch of nine-toe'd sissy's crying about the lost soldiers and their families. We can sort that mess out after we decimate their population of young fertile men old enough to point guns at American Soldiers.

My solution, kill 'em all and fuck sorting 'em out :uzzi:

[Bunnyslayer]

Originally posted by Stagger
The party liners are the people to blame.

Party liners are people who vote only their party no matter what. FYI.

[Stagger]

Originally posted by Bunnyslayer
Party liners are people who vote only their party no matter what. FYI.

Well thank you for your input. Now let me inform you of some party liners who would make life a living hell for The Bush Administration if there were a massacre in Falluja...

CINDY ADAMS
JONATHAN ALTER
ARMY ARCHERD
DAVE BARRY
PETER BART
BECK/SMITH
TONY BLANKLEY
SIDNEY BLUMENTHAL
GLORIA BORGER
BRENT BOZELL
DAVID BRODER
DAVID BROOKS
TINA BROWN
PAT BUCHANAN
BILL BUCKLEY
MONA CHAREN
ELEANOR CLIFT
RICHARD COHEN
PAUL COLFORD
JOE CONASON
CRAIG CRAWFORD
STANLEY CROUCH
MICHAEL DALY
DE BORCHGRAVE
MAUREEN DOWD
STEVE DUNLEAVY
ROGER EBERT
LARRY ELDER
SUSAN ESTRICH
JOSEPH FARAH
SUZANNE FIELDS
HOWARD FINEMAN
NIKKI FINKE
ROGER FRIEDMAN
THOMAS FRIEDMAN
JOHN FUND
LEAH GARCHIK
BILL GERTZ
GEORGIE GEYER
JONAH GOLDBERG
ELLEN GOODMAN
LLOYD GROVE
MARTIN GROVE
CARL HIAASEN
NAT HENTOFF
CHRISTOPHER HITCHENS
ARIANNA HUFFINGTON
INSIDE BELTWAY
INSIDE POLITICS
INSIDE THE RING
MOLLY IVINS
AL KAMEN
MICKEY KAUS
KEITH J. KELLY
MICHAEL KINSLEY
JOE KLEIN
HARRY KNOWLES
PAUL KRUGMAN
LARRY KUDLOW
HOWIE KURTZ
JOHN LEO
HAL LINDSEY
RICH LOWRY
MICHELLE MALKIN
PEGGY NOONAN
BOB NOVAK
OFF THE RECORD
KATE O'BEIRNE
MARVIN OLASKY
THOMAS OLIPHANT
PAGE SIX
ANDREA PEYSER
JIM PINKERTON
JOHN PODHORETZ
WES PRUDEN
ANNA QUINDLEN
Dan Rather
WILLIAM RASPBERRY
REX REED
RICHARD REEVES
RELIABLE SOURCE
RICHARD ROEPER
RUSH/MOLLOY
BILL SAFIRE
SCHLAFLY
TOM SHALES
GAIL SHISTER
LIZ SMITH
MICHAEL SNEED
JOE SOBRAN
THOMAS SOWELL
ANDREW SULLIVAN
HELEN THOMAS
CAL THOMAS
HUNTER S. THOMPSON
JEFFREY WELLS
GEORGE WILL
WALTER WILLIAMS
WASHINGTON WHISPERS
MORT ZUCKERMAN
BILL ZWECKER

All of these party liners want so bad not just to vote for their party but for their party to win. They wanted to see Bush out so bad that they'd sell their souls just to buy fake documents :ROFL: .

Face it most of the media...with exception to talk radio and FOXNews (which is only Conservative in light when compared to the darkness of other Left Wing Cable News Channels) is a bunch of limp wristed sissy boy Liberals who tow the Democrats party line and would have done anything and actually did try everything just to unseat Bush.

[Bunnyslayer]

This is the kind of crap I was hoping to avoid. I really don't care about what you think someone else thinks, I want to know what you think alone. Your first post sounded like you didn't understand a party liner because you jumped in spouting "W" think and "W" that. Just relax. if a Kerry-ite jumped said something I would have given the same response.

Nice name drop too BTW. ;)

[Stagger]

What crap dude???

All I did was post my opinion as you asked for about. I sited my reasons for my opinion and then was told I didn't know what a party liner was...???

I just wanted you to know my reasoning was logical and not based off of polticking one way or the other...in this case it just so happens that I believe that Liberals in the media would have made it hard for Bush to do anything ballsy at the time. I am not a middle of the road American I'm a hardline Conservative and when I answer a question I'm going to probably come off that way. Sorry dude, but as far as I know that is my opinion and not what I think about someone else's opinion :confused: .

[Bunnyslayer]

Cool. That's all I needed. Just chill man. Have beer, life is too short to be so angry.

[Swagger]

Originally posted by Bunnyslayer
Cool. That's all I needed. Just chill man. Have beer, life is too short to be so angry.

Thats not angry.....When he angry he says "You dont want to see me when I'm angry" ........his face turns red.......he runs into his room and puts on his torn up purple pants and then runs around the block growling and stomping.

[termdec]

Originally posted by Stagger
Face it most of the media...with exception to talk radio and FOXNews (which is only Conservative in light when compared to the darkness of other Left Wing Cable News Channels) is a bunch of limp wristed sissy boy Liberals who tow the Democrats party line and would have done anything and actually did try everything just to unseat Bush.

Are you seriously making a liberal media claim?

[Qwertys]

its quite Simple, liberals own TV, while Conservatives own AM Radio.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Before you read the rest of the post please realize that I am trying to apeal to your logical thinking centers of your brain. Not emotional parts. And I don't mean anything personal... that said /em pulls out his great axe...


Originally posted by Stagger


We're at 10 soldiers and counting. I personally think it sucks that any service men would have to die but that is what our military is there for. Our defense and security.

I 110% agree with you there...


Originally posted by Stagger


My Cousin is currently in Samara, the next hot bed and that doesn't make me happy, but he's doing this for the preservation of our country and he'd be proud to lay his life down for the future of the US of A.

I wouldn't make me happy either. But what I would like to ask how do the actions in Iraq equate to the preservation of our country.

Originally posted by Stagger


What we need right` now is brave soldiers and a brave nation behind them. Not a bunch of nine-toe'd sissy's crying about the lost soldiers and their families. We can sort that mess out after we decimate their population of young fertile men old enough to point guns at American Soldiers.

My solution, kill 'em all and fuck sorting 'em out :uzzi:


If another country occupied the United States and instituted a new government on us, I'm sure you would be pointing guns at their troops. To me that is real bravery.

In WWII the Japanese and Germans WERE a threat to us. The Japanese DID actually attack us and they crippled our Navy, now going out and fighting back in the pacfic theatre with a gimped military was an Act of a brave nation and a brave military.

How ever going to Iraq with more advantages than can be imagined and taking out their government and military was an act of terrorism. (by the Politicians, The troops fucking Rock, and thus deserve better pay, and more benefits) Saddam wasn't truely a threat to the United States. Sure saddam had implications in the stability of the middle east (but fuck that area will always be a constant riot and power vacuum.) Honestly we don't need to kill more of their people. I believe we should help their people. Build parks and bridges and bring clean water to all the residents ect..I bet if you took the troops out of the residential neigborhoods and took away the intimidation factor and made thing more transparent, we'd have less american casualtys, more help and support from the Iraqi's and we would look better to the other nations of this world.

While population controll would be nice, its just not ethical, instead of killing them maybe we could hmm... cooperate together, and stop making this shit look like a holy war... Sure if they shoot at us, shoot em back... But we shouldn't go out "looking" for "criminals" before a "crime" has been committed. We better not take to long or the rest of the world might just impose economic sanctions on us, and our economy is allready weak.

So what I want to know is how the actions in Iraq are proctecting and preserving our country?

[Bunnyslayer]

Closed before the flames erupt.