Lindows 4.0

[Digital_Frogan]

Anyone have the chance to play with this yet? There is an article about it in this months CCN Magazine, I might give it a shot if I hear some good things about it. Let me know guys. Thanks

[Anasazi]

I saw the article too, but haven't tried it. I'm a little illiterate when it comes to Linux, but I want to try it out.

[Moddy]

I used Linux 2.0 and 3.0 for a minute - um......CRAP.

Linux - or more specifically, *nix in ANY shape or form HATES ME. I have given it a number of chances too - but nope - still abuses me.

So I've come to terms with it, and realized that I will be a MS Whore for the rest of my life. O well - it pays the bills :)

[Bullfrog]

While I like the idea of Lindows, I don't really understand the point of it. I personally find it funny that all the Linux distros are trying to out-do Windows. If you want a Linux distro to learn on then Lindows is NOT the one you want. Everytime I try to get into learning Linux I get frustrated with it. Then I think I can do the same thing with Windows in 30 seconds....so why bother?

[VitaMan]

If anyone wants a copy of Lindows 4.0, let me know -- I got a free one (well, authorized download) from doing that signup for the MS legal settlement through Lindows.

I have not downloaded my copy - had not really planned on it. I have Lindows, Star Office, and like something else.

[edit] note, I am saying I have only one copy, legit. I am not in a position to make copies of it, because I have not downloaded it myself. They e-mailed me my "authorization key".

Whomever I give it to, is the one ya'll would have to beg to make you a copy.

Whomever I give it to, would have to want it to use it... not to just hoard it like a leecher :)

[Chronoglass]

I spent a weekend playing with it.. and well, it's a pain in the ass, it's an OS whose balls havn't dropped yet for all intents and purposes

only supports up to agp 4x (if you download the nvidia kernl and install it it'll be the source tarballz one if you try it(and despite what you may think you have to install the graphics drivers for nvidia, then the drivers for your video card)) (this will also effect your lan and sound if you're using an nforce2 mobo)

I won't even get into the driver mess if you have an ATI video card on top of nforce2... (from what i hear an nvidia card is even MORE of a pain, even with the nforce2 drivers) it also refuses to actually use the ram on my raedon 9000 card, and instead tries to distribute it between a swap file and my system ram

It's running on 4.2 xfree86, and upgrading to 4.3 doesn't seem to help it any

it's on debian lunix as a base, and while the most stable (debateable) linux release it's far behind the curve with capabilities as compared to the other distros (from everything i've tried to do and read)

it seems to have problems with multiple nics, some printers, most usb scanners, some digital cameras.... and the "click and run" updater doesn't work automaticly, you have to hunt down the latest releases (which overwrite your old settings, desktop picture, screen size, icon sizes.. etc etc) which Do show up in the menu, but then once you download it.. since linux treats each "upgrade" and each boot as a fresh install(you got it, all of your old drivers just got over written as well, though from the lindows boards this only happens to about 60% of the vocal board monkeys) you're probably going to boot to a debian shell (hope you already redownloaded those drivers cause you have to reinstall em now.. from root ;)

basicly.. I don't like it

but i'm still playing with it.... like a train wreck.. maybe it'll get better, maybe you'll see blood.. either way rocks

[kraz]

Lindows is a worthless piece of shit.
:gib:

[Anasazi]

Tell us how you really feel. :hittard:

[xwred1]

Then I think I can do the same thing with Windows in 30 seconds....so why bother?

Once you capture the zen it is alot easier. I think the same thing when I use Windows now, when it chugs and grinds on my laptop or when I sit at a server recreating file permissions and user accounts for a few hours by hand, or when it decides to start bsodding on boot, or when a myriad of other stupid things come up.


I spent a weekend playing with it.. and well, it's a pain in the ass, it's an OS whose balls havn't dropped yet for all intents and purposes

Windows is the one with puppy dogs and neophyte-helpers all over the place and a fisher-price gui.


only supports up to agp 4x (if you download the nvidia kernl and install it it'll be the source tarballz one if you try it(and despite what you may think you have to install the graphics drivers for nvidia, then the drivers for your video card)) (this will also effect your lan and sound if you're using an nforce2 mobo)

Didn't we discuss this in the lantrocity forums? The discussion went dead though. Nvidia doesn't seem to have added support for any new in the agpgart driver that comes with their video driver, likely because competitors haven't given them specs becuase of the Nforce.

Does Nvidia say that their Nforce drivers don't support agp 8x? I could check and see what the drivers in 2.6 say if you want.

Not like 8x makes more than a 2% performance difference anyways.


it also refuses to actually use the ram on my raedon 9000 card, and instead tries to distribute it between a swap file and my system ram

That doesn't make any sense. Are you trying to use the mtd driver so you can store normal files in your video memory? Or you saying the video driver is trying to load textures and whatnot into main memory and swap, leaving the video memory alone?

If nothing went into video memory I don't think the card would work at all.


it's on debian lunix as a base, and while the most stable (debateable) linux release it's far behind the curve with capabilities as compared to the other distros (from everything i've tried to do and read)

The debian people are obsessive about release quality, they spend ages testing everything that would go into a release of the distro on 16 different architectures, and when all ~9000 applications are working fine on the 16 supported architectures, they do a release. The space between releases is long.

If you want more modern stuff, you apt-get upgrade your system to unstable, which is where all the new stuff gets dropped into as it starts the long trek out to a stable release.


it seems to have problems with multiple nics, some printers, most usb scanners, some digital cameras.... and the "click and run" updater doesn't work automaticly, you have to hunt down the latest releases (which overwrite your old settings, desktop picture, screen size, icon sizes.. etc etc) which Do show up in the menu, but then once you download it.. since linux treats each "upgrade" and each boot as a fresh install(you got it, all of your old drivers just got over written as well, though from the lindows boards this only happens to about 60% of the vocal board monkeys) you're probably going to boot to a debian shell (hope you already redownloaded those drivers cause you have to reinstall em now.. from root

So Lindows still sucks. Thats what I figured.

What they thrust for is good, the people who say the balls haven't dropped yet need their smooth newbie solution, etc. Obviously they haven't quite delivered that yet.

Maybe you should try Redhat9? They've got many years of polishing on their gui tools.

[Ash]

i have it and its pretty nice if you have a cable connection. i have been using it for about 2 weeks now. and since i did the www.MSfreePC.com thing i got two years of the click and run free as well. i just tonight installed quakeII using the free click and run thing of theres and have been lost in yesterland for most of the night with that game :D

[Ash]

hey, side note...how do i get an avatar here?

[Donnie_Doritos]

hey, side note...how do i get an avatar here?

Hit profile up top, and look at the bottom of the next page

[Ash]

hey, side note...how do i get an avatar here?

Hit profile up top, and look at the bottom of the next page

thanks :)

[Chronoglass]

for the agp 8x I think you and someone else discussed it, basicly coming to the conclusion that it doesn't support agp 8x ;)

with the video card when I bring up the ATI device panel under memory it says n/a, when I use the program in console (I don't remember the name) that basicly displays the info on the video card it lists 0 onboard memory and 2 amounts underneath (max swap if I remember right) and then my system memory

I'm sure it's going to be a GREAT os.. once it's got some bug fixes and releases under it's belt.. but it's being sold right now as a complete os.. and really it feels like windows 3.1

not 3.11

3.1

just feels much more clunky than I'm sure it should, but it's got definite promise, that's the only reason it's still got 20 gigs of my hard drive, I'm going to keep an eye on it and if a new release comes out within my 14 months of CNR, you bet your left one I'm going to try again

[xwred1]

for the agp 8x I think you and someone else discussed it, basicly coming to the conclusion that it doesn't support agp 8x

You mean that Nvidia and Ati don't support it in their drivers right now. The kernel supports it, I checked.


with the video card when I bring up the ATI device panel under memory it says n/a, when I use the program in console (I don't remember the name) that basicly displays the info on the video card it lists 0 onboard memory and 2 amounts underneath (max swap if I remember right) and then my system memory

Perhaps Ati's drivers suck regardless of the OS? The horror!


I'm sure it's going to be a GREAT os.. once it's got some bug fixes and releases under it's belt.. but it's being sold right now as a complete os.. and really it feels like windows 3.1

I have to admit, Linux is an awful buggy desktop shell. They should take a page from Microsoft's book, build some solid bug-free software. Throw in some puppy dogs to help me find my files too.

:D

[Chronoglass]

ha ha

yes, it IS definetly possible that both nvidia's agp drivers and ati's linux drivers suck ass

and like I said.. it's got the potential, that's why i'm keepin it around to mess with, but that's all it's going to be until I can get something to work (plays quake 2 like a mutha though.. heh)

neverwinter nights.. just get an error message saying... error (and no spiffy mail sent saying what failed.. which DID surprise me)

doom legacy just shows me screwed up lines (again no error mail, tho I'm thinking both of those are from the programmers and not the distro) So that seems like a video problem of some sort

[xwred1]

Well, I find Nvidia's drivers to be pretty good, but that is me. I've been using them for a while, never touched anything from Ati.

What is that error mail stuff? You talking about an equivalent to the error reporting in Winxp?

[Chronoglass]

no usually when something humps the bunk you get some message saying (there is mail is usr/bin/yadda) you go there and it tells you what is doing the humping, or which bunk it's in.. so to speak so you know what needs to be fixed

at least it did it as I was installing the ati drivers the first few times until I got it down, and once for the nvidia drivers (none after the latest format though) but not with neverwinter nights... but like I said, that's probably the fault of bioware for not having the program say WHAT the error is.. just error

[xwred1]

Interesting. Only thing I've had fire off error mails like that is cron.