Why you should become a Republican

[FreedomFGHTR]

So you can vote for Ron Paul in 2008.

http://www.house.gov/paul/

http://www.youtube.com/v/EF37-9OGblw

[Poncho]

Sorry... but everytime I've seen that guy give an interview I want to beat him over the head. He's a libertarian and an idiot. What the fuck he's doing on the republican ticket I have no idea. If this tool wins the republican nomination.... say hello to our first woman president and wave goodbye to our country.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Well in recent history we've had a horny redneck from Arkansas, the Crawford Texas' Village idiot... But look at all of the leading canididates they will only help further fan the flames of hatered towards American's... Regardless if it's Guillilani (which most NY'rs still fucking hate), McCain, Barrak Saddam Hussien Bin Laden O lets Bombem or that stinky C**T Hillary will will end up losing more Freedom's paying more taxes and losing more American lives. Ron Paul is the only person who has been consistent with his beliefs check out his voting record... oh yeah all the other major canididates want to take away your guns too (cept for McCain) oh and why is he a Republican, Because he believes in a small limited government and believes in states rights. Thats what republicans used to be about.

Why wouldn't somebody vote for Ron Paul do you have something against the Consititution? Isn't the presidents job to protect and defend the Constitution... hmmm Ron Paul is the only canididate that actually wants to do what the President is supposed to do...

[antishatter]

more like lollbertarian am I rite poncho.

[Poncho]

I'm all for smaller government, but there are limits to what you should cut back. Ron Paul wants to privatize the FAA. Really... what the fuck is that all about? He couldn't even come up with a valid reason. Oh... and you think he'll make this country safer? He also wants to get rid of the CIA. Yea, that's a great idea. It really worked out for Clinton when he cut their budget and placed unrealistic restrictions on them. Oh wait... that's one of the reasons that 9/11 happened, our reduced capacity for information gathering. Sorry... but smaller government, on issues that have global implications, is simply a bad idea most of the time in this day and age. Social issues... I'm all for states rights. Global ones... no thanks.

[FreedomFGHTR]

He thinks the CIA should stop meddling in other countries with bs covert operations. There is a difference between gathering intelligence and doing evil covert ops like Iran Contra... who was it that trained Bin Laden... hmmm the CIA... who gave weapons and tech to both Iran and Iraq... yep thats right the CIA... Who started the Crack Epidemic of the 80's to purposely poison poor black people... once again the CIA...

[FreedomFGHTR]

oh yeah remember Bush had reports from the CIA about the terrorists wanting to use jetliners as cruise missles, but Bush was "on Vacation". And wasn't it the CIA that said Iraq had all sorts of WMD's, and purposely gave BS intelligence to pull us into war... the way it seems the CIA has done more harm than good to this country.

[antishatter]

oh yeah remember Bush had reports from the CIA about the terrorists wanting to use jetliners as cruise missles, but Bush was "on Vacation". And wasn't it the CIA that said Iraq had all sorts of WMD's, and purposely gave BS intelligence to pull us into war... the way it seems the CIA has done more harm than good to this country.
Come back when you can vote.


And before someone points out I cannot vote, I do get to vote in the next presidential election and plan on voting republican.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Come back when you can vote.


I can vote and am registered.

So you can vote next February? Thats the next presidential election...

[antishatter]

I can vote in 08 but i think its november.

[FreedomFGHTR]

I can vote in 08 but i think its november.

if you will be 18 this November then you can vote in the primaries next February which IMO are way more important than the general election.

[DeadLamb]

Who started the Crack Epidemic of the 80's to purposely poison poor black people... once again the CIA...

oh please, I know there is an issue with a trade off of a blind eye in smuggling by the gov as they "went after bigger fish" but that's a far cry from looking to poison a population.

no one put the pipe in their hand and lit it.. That's as bad as claiming that because blacks don't own gun companies but lead the stats in risk of getting shot that it's some how a -plot- against them by "the man", it's not..

As for the next pres, I'm really don't even want to think about it now when the election is sooooo far away. It a little scary that Clinbitch has been able to raise 27+ million already and some named Mitt Romney has yacked down 23+ million

wtf?! I don't even know who that guy is and sure, that's "on me" to know I guess but good lord that's a lot of BS money and -you owe me- sort of deals. It makes the blow jobs mykul demands to get into his poker games look like a deal.

[antishatter]

You specified presidential election which isnt untill november. The worst part about this is that we get to hear and see all of the campaigning the candidates due. Which is balls anyway. Honestly how stupid does one have to be that you can be influenced by a television ad calling the oponent a baby rapist. Apparently they work which is the sad part.

[FreedomFGHTR]

You specified presidential election which isnt untill november.

Yep I said presidential election... not national general election. IIRC the next time we can vote on the presidential candidates is the Primary coming up next Feb...

[FreedomFGHTR]

Hey Deadlamb how about MKUltra where the CIA was dosing people with LSD....

:tinfoil:

[DeadLamb]

Honestly how stupid does one have to be that you can be influenced by a television ad calling the opponent a baby rapist..

they are shooting for the swing vote.. plus I hate to admit this but some negative ads have in the past swung me away from a person or at least made me go look up more info about them

same for the pro life/pro choice issue. The pro life people never seem to thump the issue to much but pro choice candidates will always say, if they can, "Unlike my opponent I believe in a womans right to choose". That can also swing my vote being I will not vote for someone who still thinks it's 1912 and strangers should be telling women what they can and can't do with their own bodies.

all I know for sure, this new early primary action is going to SUCK ASS as far as political BS thrown at us.

[DeadLamb]

Hey Deadlamb how about MKUltra where the CIA was dosing people with LSD....

don't care due to the time frame that happened..

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_MKULTRA

1950's was so button down and uptight that it's a given that the gov was going to start to think the world was falling apart going into the 60's. Plus it's only in hind sight that it seems really bad..

ya take a bunch of guys born in 1920 etc, make it early 1960 with the cold war and over all hippy this and that and it's not a shock they were screwing around with whatever..

The modern day issue with 5+ years with no trial etc for Hicks who then gets all of 9 months is little more disturbing.

[antishatter]

Hey Deadlamb how about MKUltra where the CIA was dosing people with LSD....

:tinfoil:
the idea that the cia was giving the black community crack is ludicrous. LSD was thought to be a truth syrum iirc, which of course is bullshit. What would their be to gain? Destroying black culture and communities? How would that aid the us government in any feasible way?

[antishatter]

I can vote and am registered.
And since when can inmates vote? :dfu:

[FreedomFGHTR]

the idea that the cia was giving the black community crack is ludicrous. LSD was thought to be a truth syrum iirc, which of course is bullshit. What would their be to gain? Destroying black culture and communities? How would that aid the us government in any feasible way?
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html

read and learn... the dude didn't get a pulitzer for nothing

oh yeah I'm not incarcerated in prison nor am I onparole and I am over 18 years old and a citizen of this country thus I can vote you stupid retarded little kid.

BTW you have the gayest avatar I have ever seen on this forum.

[DeadLamb]

What would their be to gain? Destroying black culture and communities? How would that aid the us government in any feasible way?

:tinfoil: capitalism needs a division along social economics lines being the working class are the engine that drives the econ. It's in a governments best interest to keep that social economic imbalance.

a easy way to do that is introduction of some vice into an area that is struggling already. The issue of race really plays no part..

[antishatter]

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/forum/october96/crack_contra_11-1.html

read and learn... the dude didn't get a pulitzer for nothing

oh yeah I'm not incarcerated in prison nor am I onparole and I am over 18 years old and a citizen of this country thus I can vote you stupid retarded little kid.

BTW you have the gayest avatar I have ever seen on this forum.
check out my transformer penis.

[DeadLamb]

check out my transformer penis.

so that's like a 200 pound Prince Albert on the tip!? :yikes: :cb:

[antishatter]

it assume it is a little heavier actually.

[Swagger]

you stupid retarded little kid.

BTW you have the gayest avatar I have ever seen on this forum.


http://fusionlangaming.net//files/3/pot-kettle.jpg

[Poncho]

Let me ask you something FF... are you in favor of this country going back to the pre WW2 mindset and become an isolationist country? If so... why.

[masque]

And since when can inmates vote? :dfu:

Don't you have to be a multiple felon to lose voting rights?

[Vandalous]

This thread delivers! Will read again.

:popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn: :popcorn:

[honestplayer]

so um, Republicans on LSD?.... imma voting for Jesus (uh, Obama) :lol: ....and yes, i have no fucking idea what is happening on this thread. :popcorn:

[antishatter]

Im voting for Nader.

[antishatter]

Yep I said presidential election... not national general election. IIRC the next time we can vote on the presidential candidates is the Primary coming up next Feb...
presidential election != primaries.

[Sitting_Duck]

presidential election != primaries.He must be assuming another Republican will win the next election (shudder), so if you vote for the winning Republican Primary candidate, you're determining who will be President. :barf:

[Poncho]

He must be assuming another Republican will win the next election (shudder), so if you vote for the winning Republican Primary candidate, you're determining who will be President. :barf:

Well... if Hilary wins the Democratic Nomination then it's VERY likely that we will have another republican candidate. Hell... even if Obama wins it's still likely that the Right will hold the Oval Office. It would take a total moron on the Republican to lose.... which ron Paul may just fit the bill. One thing is for certain though... this election is going to be VERY exciting.

[Sitting_Duck]

Well... if Hilary wins the Democratic Nomination then it's VERY likely that we will have another republican candidate. Hell... even if Obama wins it's still likely that the Right will hold the Oval Office. It would take a total moron on the Republican to lose.... which ron Paul may just fit the bill. One thing is for certain though... this election is going to be VERY exciting.Well, anything is possible but I'm not holding my breath for either side of the political fence.

For the next 19 months for the Big Two parties, it's going to be all about $400 million each in Political Donation$ fueling Lies, Slander, Damn Statistics, and a tiny bit of truth that inevitably gets squashed by the other three elements. So I guess it's safe to say I'm not as excited about it as you probably are, but I will be there participating.

[Poncho]

What I find interesting is that the next election is going to be politics at it's best... and worst. This is a VERY politically charged election, and going up against the Clinton political machine behind a woman that hardly anybody can stand should be fun. If you really think about it... Hilary is the absolute worst person that the Dems could run in a presidential election, but somehow they're behind her. I have to say, as much as I can't stand Bill Clinton, he is quite the politician.

[DeadLamb]

Im voting for Nader.

I'm thinking that there is NO way I'm ever getting my penis pierced.

[antishatter]

Why does nader make you think about that.

[FreedomFGHTR]

Let me ask you something FF... are you in favor of this country going back to the pre WW2 mindset and become an isolationist country? If so... why.

Yes I am in favor of our government being reducded to the size it was in WWII. Our economy is getting eating allive by the rest of the world because of our current policy of globalization. We need to protect ourselves against economic warfare. Also I feel that way because of what my grandparents told me when I was a child about how everyone was safer and freer at the sametime as opposed to todays world in which people are constantly living in fear from all sorts of different angles. If we had a policy of isolationism in place we wouldn't have terrorists trying to blow our shit up. Teddy Rosevelt said it best, "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Instead we are yelling at the top of our lungs while swinging around a fly swatter.

[DeadLamb]

Why does nader make you think about that.

more just the whole thread over all..

I really hope Hilary crashes and burns by way of some huge public scandal. Just would seem like a fitting end to a person I have NEVER liked, even when she was a background player.

they could run Satan himself against her and I would pause and go 'Ya know the dark lord does have some good points in his platform of endless suffering and eternal darkness."

[FreedomFGHTR]

Don't you have to be a multiple felon to lose voting rights?

In California to lose voting rights you have to be incarcerated in a state prison or be on parole. Once you are off parole you can vote again.

[Poncho]

Yes I am in favor of our government being reducded to the size it was in WWII. Our economy is getting eating allive by the rest of the world because of our current policy of globalization. We need to protect ourselves against economic warfare. Also I feel that way because of what my grandparents told me when I was a child about how everyone was safer and freer at the sametime as opposed to todays world in which people are constantly living in fear from all sorts of different angles. If we had a policy of isolationism in place we wouldn't have terrorists trying to blow our shit up. Teddy Rosevelt said it best, "Speak softly and carry a big stick". Instead we are yelling at the top of our lungs while swinging around a fly swatter.


You do realize that as a global superpower and a country that is imports more than it exports we CANNOT go back to an isolationist mindset. If we did... the world would hate us even more since we would cut our aid to foreign countries, stop spending our money on their shit, etc. Isolationism doesn't work anymore... and certainly not for a superpower. That's the reality that libertarians fail to see and why they are just as wacko as the super left as far as I'm concerned.

You don't like the CIA and what it's done in the past... I agree, they've done some fucked up things, but those things were often deemed to be in the best interests of our country at the time. If it fucked over some shithole in the middle east or south america..... well I'm fine with that. The CIA is there to help the UNITED STATES.... and to make an omlette you've got to break a few eggs. :D

[FreedomFGHTR]

You do realize that as a global superpower and a country that is imports more than it exports

And thats preciesly the problem. We became a superpower because of our self reliance. The world used to buy all their shit from us. How can we consider ourselves a true superpower if all it would take to collapse this country would be an economic embargo by the rest of the world. Also China because they are buying our economy on a wholesale level will be able to destroy our economy as well should they get the urge.

[antishatter]

hey retard we supply a huge amount of natural resources to the rest of the world an embargo on us would hurt them comparable amounts. We sell resources to the chinese who make finished products to sell back to us. Them losing resources is not what they want.

[FreedomFGHTR]

source https://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/us.html :lol:

Long-term problems include inadequate investment in economic infrastructure, rapidly rising medical and pension costs of an aging population, sizable trade and budget deficits, and stagnation of family income in the lower economic groups. The merchandise trade deficit reached a record $750 billion in 2006.

agricultural products (soybeans, fruit, corn) 9.2%, industrial supplies (organic chemicals) 26.8%, capital goods (transistors, aircraft, motor vehicle parts, computers, telecommunications equipment) 49.0%, consumer goods (automobiles, medicines) 15.0% (2003)



You can reach your own conclusions

[DeadLamb]

And thats preciesly the problem. We became a superpower because of our self reliance.

no we became a super power based off our insane GDP that's only beaten by all of Europe forming the "European Union" in the early 1990.

With out that we union we flat out obliterate everyone else by %% numbers that are just off the cart.. Being we alone make up near 25% of the world wide GDP, Euro union makes up the another near 25% and the everyone looks like they are on foodstamps by comparison.

the only issue is "trade imbalance" being selling say food to china is not going to turn the same level of profit of us buying a gazzillon "made in china" widgets. Same for Japan, they sell cars and tech, we sell them natural resources and food etc.

but we can't afford to turtle up being we chew up a lot of world resources to fuel the econ that makes us a super power in the first place.

Think of it like a race car vs a moped.. One is just burning that much more fuel, you can't just say "Well push the car and save gase" being at the point even the moped starts to win the race...

[FreedomFGHTR]

What if China were to liquidate all US dollars(almost 1 trillion) they posses? What if China called in their bonds/bills just after that? Do any other countries hold large sums of dollars? After Iran publicly hinted at this, china announced that it felt the US dollar was over valued and was thinking of liquidating. Other Asian counties hinted at the same and the figure 40% over valued was floated.

What would a drop of 40% in the value of the dollar do to America? It happened in the U.S.S.R.

[DeadLamb]

What would a drop of 40% in the value of the dollar do to America? It happened in the U.S.S.R.

result in a world wide economic collapse that would drag EVERY other country down with us, plus an added kicker of them starving to death large amount of their population being we export and feed the world. Never mind econ destruction of most countries being it's not like Japan sells billions+++ of dollar worth of cars and tvs to Iran like they do the usa.

I understand the whole dooms day talk some pitch around and sure, if we wanted to all live like hippies on solar power and beans we could 100% cut ties with everyone but it's not how most want to live.

the USSR dollar dropped and we "won" the cold war being they were spending something like 12% GDP to keep up with us in an arms race + aid to other counties (win hearts and minds blah blah). Their 12% was equal already to "war time" level of spending to match our zero issue 2-3% GDP cold war spending.. Regan was going to up that to like 4% and it was all over..

at that point the house of card they had built fell apart due mostly to the pressure of our insane economic production level giving the gov trillions to "play with"

[Sitting_Duck]

What if China were to liquidate all US dollars(almost 1 trillion) they posses?

That would be like cutting off their own arms, since the US is a HUGE consumer of Chinese goods. No large nation with a significant stake in the stability of the world economy (i.e., ALL OF THEM) would be stupid enough to dump such an important currency. They would have extremely little to gain, and very much to lose. Exactly the same thing would happen if we stuck our heads in the sand and became an isolationist nation in the middle of an evolving world economy.

The USSR was a communist state, not a global economic superpower. It failed economically because it was doomed by it's own economic strategy, so it's not a great example of "What would happen if..."

Just an FYI:
http://www.cfr.org/publication/10092/#8

What foreign entities are most invested in the United States? What do they own?
The country with the most holdings in the United States is the United Kingdom, followed by Japan, Germany, the Netherlands, and France. At the end of 2004, the sum of all foreign assets in the United States had an estimated market value of $2.7 trillion, though only 2 percent of these holdings are owned by state-run companies.

[fishmonger]

What if China were to liquidate all US dollars(almost 1 trillion) they posses? What if China called in their bonds/bills just after that? Do any other countries hold large sums of dollars? After Iran publicly hinted at this, china announced that it felt the US dollar was over valued and was thinking of liquidating. Other Asian counties hinted at the same and the figure 40% over valued was floated.

This won't happen. Look, I'll make this very simple. China needs somewhere to sell all their shit. They'd be screwing themselves, too.

[FreedomFGHTR]

nevermind

[xwred1]

Republicans have hot chicks (http://www.glumbert.com/media/liegirls).