So what happens in the event of a draft?

[WebHog]

Well, not sure this will happen anytime soon or atleast let's hope not. But between all the real/potential crap going on in Afghanistan / Iraq / Iran / North Korea as well as Reservists being called up to protect the borders, seems like the military is low on numbers. With that said, Here is a brief overview of what would occur if the United States returned to a draft:

1. CONGRESS AND THE PRESIDENT AUTHORIZE A DRAFT
A crisis occurs which requires more troops than the volunteer military can supply. Congress passes and the President signs legislation which starts a draft.

2. THE LOTTERY
A lottery based on birthdays determines the order in which registered men are called up by Selective Service. The first to be called, in a sequence determined by the lottery, will be men whose 20th birthday falls during that year, followed, if needed, by those aged 21, 22, 23, 24 and 25. 18-year-olds and those turning 19 would probably not be drafted.

3. ALL PARTS OF SELECTIVE SERVICE ARE ACTIVATED
The Agency activates and orders its State Directors and Reserve Forces Officers to report for duty. See also Agency Structure.

4. PHYSICAL, MENTAL, AND MORAL EVALUATION OF REGISTRANTS
Registrants with low lottery numbers are ordered to report for a physical, mental, and moral evaluation at a Military Entrance Processing Station to determine whether they are fit for military service. Once he is notified of the results of the evaluation, a registrant will be given 10 days to file a claim for exemption, postponement, or deferment. See also Classifications.

5. LOCAL AND APPEAL BOARDS ACTIVATED AND INDUCTION NOTICES SENT
Local and Appeal Boards will process registrant claims. Those who pass the military evaluation will receive induction orders. An inductee will have 10 days to report to a local Military Entrance Processing Station for induction.

6. FIRST DRAFTEES ARE INDUCTED
According to current plans, Selective Service must deliver the first inductees to the military within 193 days from the onset of a crisis.


More info on this site. (http://www.sss.gov/Default.htm)

[Poncho]

Jesus... please don't start this BS. We are NOT low on troops, there will be NO draft. The military doesn't want it, the government doesn't want it, the people don't want it.... combine that with the fact that we don't NEED it.... it's not gonna happen. Also, don't think for 1 second we would go with "boots on the ground" for a fight with NK. See my post in the other thread for reasons why.

[masque]

7. Mass emigration to Canada

Angered US citizens who don't support the war or the administration flee the country as they are drafted.

[DeadLamb]

7.Mass emigration to Canada.

nah more like a huge spike in people who all of a sudden think a higher education is a calling. Then they look to get a draft deferred enough times that the conflict is over.

of course much like poncho said I can't really see a draft every being starting up again but it's still interesting to see the what the process might be.. Much like I find the order for next to line to be president to be interesting even when the odds of falling say 10+ down that line is not something I can see happening..

Well, with out alien attack of course. If alien's attack then yeah, we might fall down the chain of command all Battlestar Galactica like to someone lower ranked.

[WebHog]

I agree that there shouldn't be a draft anytime soon. What sparked this post was my son asked me the other day how the process worked and I thought I'd share what the process is. So, bottomline, it won't happen overnight even if there was a draft in the our lifetime.

What is a potential concern is that if we continue to pile on the need to support multiple events around the globe. It gets old having to feel like we the need to support everyone everywhere with their problems. I feel like there's no way in hell we can support say 3-4 larger scale events without more butts in chairs, feet on the street, guns in hand or whatever resources are needed to run things.

I don't recall how many current military are in Iraq, something like 150k? Really, I'd say you add another 5-10% who are in training, ready to swap out, etc and maybe just for that one event you're at 20-25% of the 1.2 million or so in the military. Also, we're nowhere close to being ready to get out of Iraq anytime soon. So, what do you do if/when a couple more f**ked up countries start shit at/near the same time, we either decide not to get involved, fend off things with long range missiles/bombs or put feet on the ground. I agree with you Poncho re: NK, we'd be foolish to put troops on the ground there. But Iran or elsewhere, definitely a possibility.

I think Moddy has it right, the world just needs a bitch slap! :ROFL:

[Poncho]

So, what do you do if/when a couple more f**ked up countries start shit at/near the same time, we either decide not to get involved, fend off things with long range missiles/bombs or put feet on the ground.

This is where you set priorities. With the exception of a full scale invasion by NK then there really isn't a country at the moment that's a concern. Especially since most of the countries that we might get into it with are around Iraq... those fights would probably occur there where we already have a force in place. Funny... having bases/troops in Iraq might just be a strategic move like I said all along. Now if we get into it with NK... it WON'T be a ground war for all the reasons that I have listed in this thread and the other.

But Iran or elsewhere, definitely a possibility.


Iran is interesting. It's ran by religious wackos but A LOT of the population is more "western." They aren't happy with the way things are going and want change. Iran would be better served with surgical strikes on terrorists with CIA in place to topple the government, supporting a resistance. We don't have a great track record with this... but it's still better than a full scale invasion which will hurt our relations with it's citizens who are friendly to the US. I agree though.. Iran's current "government" needs to be eliminated.

I think Moddy has it right, the world just needs a bitch slap! :ROFL:

That was my comment BTW. :D Think Moddy is clever enough to come up with that? Yea, neither do I. :sm:

[xwred1]

Anyone have details on that moral evaluation thing? That sounds interesting. Maybe if you tell them you are excited to go to another country cause then you'll get to blow people away and rape women and children, then they won't send you.

[enervate]

Or maybe you could just tell them you are an athiest because without our Lord Jesus Christ where is our moral compass?

[antishatter]

Or maybe they would want you more because it would be easier to get you to kill, being you are not burdened by religious values and the idea of Heaven vs Hell.

[DeadLamb]

Anyone have details on that moral evaluation thing?

it's not easy.. If it was easy you would of had a lot of people back in the days of nam just going "Oh yeah I can't shoot people" just to get out of the draft.. Clearly that is not going to work and it did not work. Lots of people tried to pull of the whole too crazy to go etc etc.

plus look at what happened to Muhammad Ali, that ended up in the Supreme Court
http://www.aavw.org/protest/ali_alivus_abstract08.html

[xwred1]

Interesting.

Its all academic anyways... it looks like even though they've been dipping into the reservists for Iraq, there's still plenty of people to overthrow government in Iran or NK without having to pull out of Iraq.